• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

I've figured out the flash-sidways (spoilers up to Dr Linus)

Well I do have another theory that I mentioned in my post. I mentioned it briefly in my previous post. This means that the world outside the island currently is the world from flash-sideways but 3 years later.

So, the Widmore that we saw coming to the island isn't a Ben-hating guy. For all we know he was one of the others on the island at the time of jughead and then around 1977, he was off the island - the whole past where him and Ben have the big "we are enemies" thing never happens. He might be somebody that has interacted with all the flash-sideways people and maybe there are a few of those people too on his sub who will be arriving at the island.

I don't know where that will take us... but it's a theory...

How do you like that?

That's so simple and makes sense...I can't believe it's the first time I've read a theory like this. I don't know that I'm on board with it, but it's a good one. I suppose the main reason I don't think this will be the case is that the show made a point of showing that the Island is underwater in 2004. I suppose it's possible it resurfaced in three years, though...after all, it "blooped" right in front of us in the season four finale.
 
I must say I really wasn't able to follow that theory. I mean, sure, maybe the Flash-sideways is actually the outside world...but that still doesn't explain where it came from.
 
I must say I really wasn't able to follow that theory. I mean, sure, maybe the Flash-sideways is actually the outside world...but that still doesn't explain where it came from.

How I understood it is that Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and the rest of the '77 gang were thrown to 2007...but it's the 2007 of the alternate future. The flash-sideways that we're seeing are in 2004, the Island story is in 2007, so nothing thus far will contradict the theory aside from the Island being underwater in 2004.
 
Ah, I see. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Does that make Jacob and MIB an Alternate Jacob and MIB? If so, that kind of cheapens everything that's going on right now.
 
Hmm - I hadn't taken it that far in my own head...

So since Jacob is dead, it's Jacob-sideways who will fight SmokeyLocke? But what about Smokey-sideways?

The problem with all these theories is that if you start trying to think it all the way thru - pretty soon you have a headache with your mind looping into time paradoxes and such stuff...

Which is fun... :)
 
Or the bomb made the Island jump realities as a whole, just as the entire thing physically disappeared when Ben moved the frozen donkey wheel. So there is only one Jacob and one Man in Black and they moved to alternate 2007 along with the entire Island, and that's why it's not underwater anymore.
 
No. I'm not liking that theory at all.

I much prefer the 'after the end of the story' theory.
 
All right, so I'm updating my theory after Recon. Really, it's a merging of various theories already posited. First of all, I'm changing my stance to the so-called alternate universe really being purgatory, as in, the characters are dead. Well, okay, still not the Catholic idea of purgatory, but a land of holding for the dead all the same. I backtracked on that before. Now I'm backtracking my backtrack. :p

The "sideways" flashes really are in the future, after the massive bloodbath Temis is gleefully looking forward to. I've always suspected that they would use the sideways universe in a scenario where a major character, like Jack, Kate or Sawyer, would be shockingly killed off, but then their sideways counterpart would step into our universe in a later episode, ala Starbuck or what's-his-face on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Now I'm expanding that idea to all of our characters. They'll all die.

But this will be a couple of episodes before the finale. The twist is that after they die, they'll enter the "spirit world", which the Island is a gate to. This is why Jack has a cut on his neck, an echo of the wound that kills him. This realm is the source of the whispers. This is why ghosts appear on the Island. This is what Jacob is really guarding. This is what notLocke really wants to be free of. He's a man who died, but learned to become powerful enough as a spirit that he can interact with the real world. This explains his connection to the dead, his transformations, etc. The last episode will be the Candidates getting out of the Island's land of the dead, which looks like an alternate world where the characters have made better choices, a trick to keep them there by the Man in Black or Jacob. They escape and come back to the Island, defeating whoever is evil once and for all.

This also leads into the unseen seventh season, the zombie season. After all, since all of our characters have come back from the dead in the end, they're technically zombies.
 
The last episode will be the Candidates getting out of the Island's land of the dead, which looks like an alternate world where the characters have made better choices,

Except for Jin, who gets kidnapped and locked in the closet. :p
 
^and Kate, who is still on the run, or Charlie who is in jail, or Sayid who is still a killer and doesn't get the girl...

I don't think the 'flashsideways' are necessarily better, just different, i.e without Jacob's influence in their lives.

However, my old theory thread had them all dying too! :lol:
 
Maybe it's less about their alter egos making good decisions. Maybe it's more about where they think they deserve to be.
 
^and Kate, who is still on the run, or Charlie who is in jail, or Sayid who is still a killer and doesn't get the girl...

I don't think the 'flashsideways' are necessarily better, just different, i.e without Jacob's influence in their lives.

However, my old theory thread had them all dying too! :lol:

Like I said, I made my theory by cobbling together everyone else's theories. ;)

RoJoHen said:
Maybe it's less about their alter egos making good decisions. Maybe it's more about where they think they deserve to be.

Oo. That is excellent. Although I'm not sure how that would apply to Sawyer, Ben or Locke. I would think that Locke would still think that he deserves to be somewhere where he's super special. Instead he settled for a quieter life. Ben as well. Sawyer is a cop, which could be an echo of his days as LaFleur, but I don't know why he'd think he deserves to be that. He definitely thinks he deserves to be alone, though, judging by his speech to Kate a few episodes back, which could tie into his bad date with Charlotte.
 
It's not a good or bad timeline. It's quite literally an alternate timeline (or whatever you want to call it; don't get stuck on minutiae), where they made some decision, past or present, that significantly changed the outcome of lives.

An example of a present change is Ben Linus and his decision to forsake power in lieu of saving Alex. Which had nothing at all to do with Jacob, the island, or anyone or anything else. It was 100% Ben.

The flashes are also clearly not in the future; it's the past, at least when compared to the main timeline. Little more than a few weeks have passed since Oceanic 815 safely touched down in Los Angeles. They've made this abundantly clear, particularly in the last epsidoe.
 
Oo. That is excellent. Although I'm not sure how that would apply to Sawyer, Ben or Locke. I would think that Locke would still think that he deserves to be somewhere where he's super special. Instead he settled for a quieter life. Ben as well. Sawyer is a cop, which could be an echo of his days as LaFleur, but I don't know why he'd think he deserves to be that. He definitely thinks he deserves to be alone, though, judging by his speech to Kate a few episodes back, which could tie into his bad date with Charlotte.

Well, it's possible it's more than just where they "deserve" to be. That could be what it means to some of them. Maybe it has to do with where they'd rather be, or where they could have been, depending on how they feel about themselves.

I don't know. :lol:
 
^Yeah. I just find it so interesting how, rather than starting to simplify things and bring all the threads together this season as it would be logical to do, they've complicated the story even more and seem to be more on a tangent than ever. I'm quite intrigued at how it will come together in the end, because, right now, no theory is one hundred percent foolproof.

It's not a good or bad timeline. It's quite literally an alternate timeline (or whatever you want to call it; don't get stuck on minutiae), where they made some decision, past or present, that significantly changed the outcome of lives.

An example of a present change is Ben Linus and his decision to forsake power in lieu of saving Alex. Which had nothing at all to do with Jacob, the island, or anyone or anything else. It was 100% Ben.

The flashes are also clearly not in the future; it's the past, at least when compared to the main timeline. Little more than a few weeks have passed since Oceanic 815 safely touched down in Los Angeles. They've made this abundantly clear, particularly in the last epsidoe.

Well, yes, the flashes are in 2004 and the Island is currently in 2007 or so. But if the flashes this season are actually some sort of holding area for the consciousnesses of dead people, and it takes place after the main characters have died which is why they're all there, then it doesn't really matter when it appears to be taking place.
 
^Yeah. I just find it so interesting how, rather than starting to simplify things and bring all the threads together this season as it would be logical to do, they've complicated the story even more and seem to be more on a tangent than ever. I'm quite intrigued at how it will come together in the end, because, right now, no theory is one hundred percent foolproof.
Yeah, it was certainly an interesting way to go.
 
Maybe the flash sideways are what really happened in the first place, and the island was always the "alternate" storyline
 
I really don't think so. The cut on Jack's neck and his appendectomy scar are clues that whatever happened on the Island somehow spilled over into this alternate reality.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top