Actually, they had given a reason as to why the scar was there in the side ways universe
I've figured out the flash-sidways (spoilers up to Dr Linus)
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Actually, they had given a reason as to why the scar was there in the side ways universe
Maybe that means something, I understand that, there is also the possibility that he just simply forgot about it, and it really isn't anything.
My theory still holds water, I mean, anything is a possibility at this point right? heh
Whatever happened, happened.
Or something.
Or something.
I've just had a thought, it's been proposed that the flashsideways universe is one where the characters get to improve their lives only in one thing that matters to them the most, although there is a price they had to pay, but maybe the price is that they have to give up their main obsessions? Locke gets Helen and a better relationship with his dad but he has to give up his obsession with having a great special destiny, Sayid has a life where Nadia is alive and well but he has to give up his desire to be with her, Sawyer gets to be an upstanding citizen but only if he eventually gives up his obsession for revenge, Ben gets to have a good relationship with Alex and his dad but has to give up his dreams of power... Jack seems more laid-back, maybe he is not obsessed with "fixing things up". I'm not sure how that would apply to Charlie, or to Sun and Jin, since we haven't seen their flashsideways yet, or how it relates to Kate, but her story still has to develop. (It's probably early to judge the fate of all of the other characters as well, since we're still to see what happens to Sayid, Sawyer, Miles etc. in other people's FS.)
They do, but it seems obvious that they either have had or will have to give it up... Ben has chosen Alex over power, Locke seemed coming to terms with his life at the end of his FS, Sayid giving up on Nadia was his own decision... and well, as for Sawyer, we'll see, but if he was 100% bent on carrying on his revenge, I don't think he would have revealed it to Miles.
Unfortunately after this weeks episode (Recon) I'm starting to think more and more that the sideways story is the epilogue presented concurrently with the climax. I think the characters on the island will play out the end game and somehow they will end up on the plane.
What we thought we we're seeing in the opening episode this season was a split but what we're actually seeing is the events that actually lead up to them being on the plane which haven't occurred yet and then what happens after they end up doing whatever it is they do at the end of the series.
I don't necessarily care for it but it is creative. I kind of wanted at least some of them to remain on the island and I suspect that the island will cease to be and end up underwater. Not due to the nuke going off but something else we have yet to see.
They pulled a fast one on us and made us believe the nuke caused the sideways split and the underwater island but in reality I'm betting the event that causes the "sideways" reality has yet to come.
What we thought we we're seeing in the opening episode this season was a split but what we're actually seeing is the events that actually lead up to them being on the plane which haven't occurred yet and then what happens after they end up doing whatever it is they do at the end of the series.
I don't necessarily care for it but it is creative. I kind of wanted at least some of them to remain on the island and I suspect that the island will cease to be and end up underwater. Not due to the nuke going off but something else we have yet to see.
They pulled a fast one on us and made us believe the nuke caused the sideways split and the underwater island but in reality I'm betting the event that causes the "sideways" reality has yet to come.
I agree, but I still want to know what Juliet's "It worked" meant.
Maybe as you die, you transition into your body in the "sideways reality". As Juliet was dying, she got a glimpse into the reality that they'll all end up in. My guess is most of them die, transition into the sideways reality and that's the end.
I think Juliet's case will be special - on the island she felt her other flash-sideways-(future-to-be) life. I have a feeling that Juliet and Sawyer will meet in the flash-sideways (probably at the end of the series finale) and they will talk about getting coffee and going dutch. Juliet when dying somehow saw a glimpse of the other possibility and hence her repeating the same thing to Sawyer and then the "it worked".
After seeing Sawyer as a cop, and now choosing to trust others, I am more and more feeling that we are seeing "the end after the end" in the flash-sideways. While not perfect (Locke still is in a wheelchair, Jack doesn't seem to be married to his wife etc. etc.), their future is going to be brighter than what it was.
Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at as well. Course, I'm still hoping the writers are going to pull the rug out from underneath me and go a completely, unexpected direction.
I think the two timelines need to converge or effect each other in some way, otherwise it's a cheat. The producers had said in regards to time travel that they believed that events have to have consequences- you can't have people going back and changing things that happened, otherwise it kills the drama. This is also what they said about why purgatory was a bad idea. The events as we see them actually have to have a reason, a consequence. At least this was the rule they had defined early in the series.
This is not to say that they might not have changed their minds in the intervening seasons, but I sincerely hope they haven't.
This is not to say that they might not have changed their minds in the intervening seasons, but I sincerely hope they haven't.
I agree, however, they'd argue that because the events on the island (that have yet to come) lead to the coda that we're watching in the "sideways" reality that the two timelines do converge.
Exactly. The sacrifices and decisions they make between now and the end of the show will result in the sideways reality.
(Course, this is all just according to my current theory. I will be more than happy to have the writers prove me wrong)
Agreed with both items.
And even if this theory actually turns out true, I don't think I will be very disappointed. One of the things that we don't know *anything* about is how exactly the island events are going to turn out. And there are plenty of "revelations" that the creators have to answer/reveal.
In another vein, I want to see Faraday. Maybe it's Faraday in the double locked door.
People make decisions in a context. You take the same person and same decision but change the context, and they might decide differently.
I agree that the alternate timeline is just alternate. But, it's a new context. Basically, the context is no Jacob, and they're not on the island. So, yes, it's Ben, but's it Ben in both universes. The context changes.
The alternate universe is just alternate but the people like Ben are not being led around by their noses by Jacob, MiB, or any other higher power with their own agenda. So, on balance, their lives are better.
Mr Awe
