Or Chakotay (whose secret tribal name can be translated as: Death to All Your Shuttlecraft.)I smell an opportunity for a time traveling Troi cameo ....
It's official. The Enterprise is built in...(spoilers)
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Thankee sir.
Except if you mean St. Petersburg, Russia, remember that it's Leningrad (again) in TOS time.
This will be the first on-screen mention of where the TOS Enterprise was built. It contradicts nothing that came before. It only contradicts off screen assumptions and conventions. The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.
A good example of another convention taken for canon was that Kirk was from Iowa. But it was in TVH before it was finally given onscreen mention and made "official." There's no reason why Kirk couldn't have said, "I'm from New Jersey. I only work in outer space." It would've contradicted nothing that came before it on screen. Same with the construction of the Enterprise.
I'm not sure whether that was ever in a fiver or not, but it sounded right.Or Chakotay (whose secret tribal name can be translated as: Death to All Your Shuttlecraft.)I smell an opportunity for a time traveling Troi cameo ....
And if you rearrange the letters in his name, you get "oak yacht".
The Enterprise was built by that same little old lady who inwented so many other things? There is order in the Universe, after all.
Except if you mean St. Petersburg, Russia, remember that it's Leningrad (again) in TOS time.
Except the dedication plaque that was in every single episode. But, other than that, sure...
TVH was a nod to the fans of Iowa and done to make people happy. Moving the ship's construction to Iowa is a cheap moment of 'drama' for Kirk and is done deliberately ignoring the franchise's history.
Of course, the other thing is that this really is not the same Enterprise that was in TOS. This is an Enterprise built with technology from future Spock in order to save the Federation from Nero's nefarious time-travel plot.
*sighs* I tell ya, these days, it seems like all you have to do to get a Trek movie is take a dump, film it, and slap the words "Star Trek" on it...
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Except the dedication plaque that was in every single episode. But, other than that, sure...
TVH was a nod to the fans of Iowa and done to make people happy. Moving the ship's construction to Iowa is a cheap moment of 'drama' for Kirk and is done deliberately ignoring the franchise's history.
I tell ya, these days, it seems like all you have to do to get a Trek movie is take a dump, film it, and slap the words "Star Trek" on it...
The plaque also says "STARSHIP CLASS." So, was making the ship Constitution Class a violation of canon, too?
The plaque only says SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF. It could be because SF is its "home port," where it is registered, because Starfleet is based there, or because the company that built the Enterprise is based there.
Folks are merely extrapolating that it was builf in SF from the plaque and the written word (which is not canon). Beyond that, assuming it was built in SF is no different than assuming SF stands for the things I mentioned above, or Kirk was from Iowa before it was mentioned in TVH.
Oh, and maybe it says SF in reference to THE PLAQUE being built in San Francisco.
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Said about an accomplished group of writers and artists by someone who displays no art here that's more inventive than mere tracing of other people's work.
Or, all you have to do is be a highly successful producer/director to whom the owners went, at their own initiative, for help to revitalize a franchise that, according to a lot of people already (not me, but many others) had had "a dump" taken on it already. See how perspective shapes one's world view?
Except the dedication plaque that was in every single episode. But, other than that, sure...
TVH was a nod to the fans of Iowa and done to make people happy. Moving the ship's construction to Iowa is a cheap moment of 'drama' for Kirk and is done deliberately ignoring the franchise's history.
Of course, the other thing is that this really is not the same Enterprise that was in TOS. This is an Enterprise built with technology from future Spock in order to save the Federation from Nero's nefarious time-travel plot.
*sighs* I tell ya, these days, it seems like all you have to do to get a Trek movie is take a dump, film it, and slap the words "Star Trek" on it...
Except if you mean St. Petersburg, Russia, remember that it's Leningrad (again) in TOS time.
Not necessarily. The oblast (province) that St. Petersburg is located in is still called Leningrad oblast. It's entirely possible that Chekov was talking about the oblast, not the city.
Except the dedication plaque that was in every single episode. But, other than that, sure...
OH NOEZ!!!! THEY POSSIBLY CONTRADICTED A BARELY-VISIBLE AND VAGUELY-WORDED PLAQUE THAT THE CAMERA NEVER LINGERED ON FOR MORE THAN TWO SECONDS AND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTRADICTED BY PREVIOUS CANONICAL INSTALLMENTS THAT REFER TO THE ENTERPRISE AS "CONSTITUTION-CLASS" RATHER THAN "STARSHIP CLASS!" THOSE BASTARDS! CANON IS DISSOLVING ALL AROUND ME! AAAAAAAGGGGGGGGH!!
No, it's deliberately ignoring a piece of scenic design that only an incredibly anal-retentive, detail-oriented geek would notice. I mean, yeah, I noticed, but I also know enough to tell when my anal-retentive attention to detail doesn't actually matter in producing a good work of art, too.
this comment really goes for everything being bitched about this movie. "oh they're not supposed to meet yet," "oh, that wasn't supposed to happen," "it didn't happen like that, boo." it's a timeline changing story so things won't exactly remain the same. if people aren't bothered by ship change, they shouldn't be bothered too much by all the other changes.
Look at it in much the same way you view the "MADE IN CHINA" label on products. It almost never says where in China. And the San Francisco Ship Yards area/region of authority over vessel and probe construction could cover entire continents on Earth.
In fact, "San" is short for "Sanford."
Sanford Francisco is the name of the chief designer of the Enterprise.
He's a descendant of George and Susan Francisco, who were among the quarter of a million Tenctonese refugees who settled on Earth in the late 20th century.
See, it all fits together within meta-canon.
Sanford Francisco is the name of the chief designer of the Enterprise.
He's a descendant of George and Susan Francisco, who were among the quarter of a million Tenctonese refugees who settled on Earth in the late 20th century.
See, it all fits together within meta-canon.
wasn't george's real name"sam"? i think it was james caan's character that gave him the nickname george if im not mistaken.
"There is no way I'm going around introducing you as 'Sam Francisco'."
darkwing_duck1
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In Star Trek:TOU (The Original Universe), the Enterprise was built in and above the San Francisco Fleet Yards. The characters have the backstories already established.
In Star Trek: TNU (The New Universe), it's built in Iowa. The characters have NEW backstories.
If it's not "fixed universe" (aka they press the "reset button") at the end of the film, then it's a reboot...
It's that simple.
Can we PLEASE stop slagging on each other now?
In Star Trek: TNU (The New Universe), it's built in Iowa. The characters have NEW backstories.
If it's not "fixed universe" (aka they press the "reset button") at the end of the film, then it's a reboot...
It's that simple.
Can we PLEASE stop slagging on each other now?
Woah, I like these: ST: TOU & TNU. *steals them*
ST: TOU & TNU. TM @ Uss Stardis, dated 12.12.08
he-he-he
ST: TOU & TNU. TM @ Uss Stardis, dated 12.12.08
he-he-he
Another set of abbreviations to learn.
Joy.
Joy.
Lets review them.
TOU:
ENT
TOS
TNG
DS9
VOY
TMP
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
TFF
TUC
FC
INS
NEM
TNU:
ST
Not that difficult.
TOU:
ENT
TOS
TNG
DS9
VOY
TMP
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
TFF
TUC
FC
INS
NEM
TNU:
ST
Not that difficult.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
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