It's official. The Enterprise is built in...(spoilers)

[M'Sharak]

A question for those living in the US and are familiar with the San Francisco area.

I have no idea how big the SF area is or how the morphology of the ground is. If there are mountains or hills around...

Is there a place in the SF area where a starship construction could happen as we see it in the trailer ?

There are and have been several shipyards in the San Francisco Bay Area (many Liberty ships were built at the Kaiser shipyards in Richmond, and the Navy had shipyards at Hunter's Point, San Francisco (near Candlestick Park/3Com Stadium/whatever the fuck they're calling it these days) and at Mare Island in the North Bay) and there are places (such as at Mare Island) where hills such as those seen in the trailer may be found.

This does sound, however, as if it may be the Great Heresy which was foretold earlier this year.

How about this.

Titanic was built in Southampton, but registered in Liverpool. Hence, why on the rear of the ship, it has Liverpool on it under Titanic.

Makes a world of sense.

And yet, it has the smelly smell of a concept which DOES NOT BELONG. Are we going to stand here and let them lie to us? The Enterprise was built in earthquake territory, dammit!

I mean, so what if California has actually fallen off of North America by the 23rd century? they could build the ship on giant springs! Add that to my list of demands. The Enterprise must be built on giant springs!

IT IS A LIE. A SMELLY LIE.

Actually, the bit where San Francisco sits is part of the North American Plate and could well still be there after the stuff on the Pacific Plate (west of the San Andreas Fault) has moved on, but that won't be happening until well past the 23rd century, anyway.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I'm wondering if this Enterprise will have a dedication plaque on the bridge as per Trek tradition.

U.S.S. ENTERPRISE
STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-1701
DAVENPORT FLEET YARDS, EARTH

To me, it's just a simple case that this Enterprise was built in Iowa, not in (or above) San Francisco.

 

[cooleddie74]

This just means the San Francisco Ship Yards area/region of construction authority covers practically the whole North American continent if not the entire Western Hemisphere. That still makes the "San Francisco" inscription on the dedication plaque correct if in a more indirect and roundabout way.

 

[Classic Fan]

I'm wondering if this Enterprise will have a dedication plaque on the bridge as per Trek tradition.

U.S.S. ENTERPRISE
STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-1701
DAVENPORT FLEET YARDS, EARTH

To me, it's just a simple case that this Enterprise was built in Iowa, not in (or above) San Francisco.

Pikes, Kirks, Deckers and Spocks Enterprise were the same ship, just at various stages of refitting etc and all that bollocks to explain change in production.

Anyway, due to time travel being used, its safe to use that as an explanation to be fair.

However, such a major change in Treks histroy, and the fact that from The Corbomite Manouvre onward, that plaque said USS Enterprise - Starship Class - San Fransisco, Calif, is kind of a big change. Who knows, it might not even be explained. But given that this could, but i highly doubt it, a completely different Enterprise to our one, it safe to assume that this 'Other Ent' was build in Iwoa. Just guessing.



All we can do is speculate that Abrams and his posse have decided to have the shipyard in Iowa, where Kirk will be growing up and aspiring to this great ship being built down the road, instead of having to explain that Kirk decamps to San Fran to enrol in Starfleet after a troubled childhood.

Kind of like a child would walk past a train station everyday and dream of one day being an engine driver, and finally fulfilling that dream by chance in his future.

 

[Sci]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

 

[Classic Fan]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

I couldnt give a rats ass either, personally.

just joining in as im bored.

I mean think of it. Just because a plaque says San Fransisco, doesnt mean it was physically built there. Just means its a kind of registering or a visual link to people on the viewer or just to tell people thats its the property of starfleet etc.

Fuck knows.

 

[M'Sharak]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

It doesn't make a lot of difference to me, either -- after all, there's no logical reason for San Francisco to have been the site of a Starfleet shipyard in the first place, and any number of reasons why it would have been sensibly sited someplace more distant from Starfleet Headquarters... like Iowa, for example -- but some of the hoop-jumping required to Make It All Fit can be entertaining.

 

[Aragorn]

The NASA moon plaque has the name of the president at the time of the event, not the president responsible for kickstarting the space missions.

 

[Captain Robert April]

In the meantime, April may be driving a bus somewhere in San Francisco.

NO!! I'M NOT DRIVING ANY MORE BUSES!! I'M TRYING TO LEAVE THAT LIFE BEHIND ME!! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!

Oh, sorry.

Never mind....

 

[Ovation]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

No. But be careful, lest you incite "hatred" with your cavalier attitude.

 

[shapeshifter]

Re: Ahhhh....Iowaaaaayyyyy

.....land of the Plain People......and home of Constitution Class Starships....

The Humble Town of Riverside. Birthplace of the Federation's greatest Starship Captain....

Looks like the Town Fathers took out a Bond Issue to start on building the Riverside Shipyards. Now that's a Stardrive Section that conforms to Canon!

After they take a break, everyone apparently goes to Murphy's Bar and Grill to shower off from all that dilithium radiation and down a cold one. That's apparently the model bar for where Uhura put the kibosh on young Mr. Kirk's ambitions. When you click on the links, a Trek Delta comes up.

The business has a timeline that swears that it was in business up to 2310, shortly before little Jimmy Kirk was born.

What do you want to bet this town cashes in big time when the film comes out? T-shirts, mugs, the whole nine yards.

Nice. In my own little world "Murphy's B&G" is also the one seen later in ENT and TSFS. Cool to finally have a name for it.

 

[roguephoenix]

That seems a totally unnecessary change to me. I don't mind it being built on the ground, since the original ship's plaque said San Francisco, Calif. Which means it was built in Califoria, and not orbital docks named after the city.

But why bother moving it? In the future an Iowa to SF trip would take about 5 seconds, it's not like there's a big distance barrier like today.

could be part of the story. nero goes back in time and actually destroys the ship yard where the "original" ent was being built. with that gone, they moved building the "second" ent in a more desolate area. could be why they're not saying. would make sense that nero would want to destroy starfleet home base. certainly if i only went that far back i'd make i did as much damage as i could. ship yards and starfleet headquarters seem to be a good place to start destroying.

 

[yenny]

What if the Enterprise wasn't launch in 2245? But earlier, like 2165. Between 2145 and 2151. The Enterprise crashes in Iowa. Instead of scraping the Enterprise. They decided to rebuilt and upgrade the Enterprise. At the spot it had crash at.

 

[SalvorHardin]

What if the Enterprise wasn't launch in 2245? But earlier, like 2165. Between 2145 and 2151. The Enterprise crashes in Iowa. Instead of scraping the Enterprise. They decided to rebuilt and upgrade the Enterprise. At the spot it had crash at.

I smell an opportunity for a time traveling Troi cameo ....

 

[shapeshifter]

This just means the San Francisco Ship Yards area/region of construction authority covers practically the whole North American continent if not the entire Western Hemisphere. That still makes the "San Francisco" inscription on the dedication plaque correct if in a more indirect and roundabout way.

I think you, and others beating around the same bush are correct.

If I had an inquiry about the 1701 I would not visit it's build site, I'd go to that organizations central hub: Starfleet Command, San Francisco.

 

[M'Sharak]

What if the Enterprise wasn't launch in 2245? But earlier, like 2165. Between 2145 and 2151. The Enterprise crashes in Iowa. Instead of scraping the Enterprise. They decided to rebuilt and upgrade the Enterprise. At the spot it had crash at.

I smell an opportunity for a time traveling Troi cameo ....

Or Chakotay (whose secret tribal name can be translated as: Death to All Your Shuttlecraft.)

 

[BorgusFrat]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

Yaah, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Abrams and Orci and maybe a couple others were sittin around at some point during the whole process and not only smoking but afterward DRINKING their bong water! "Hey, lets really change some stuff, man ... just to give em all a jolt, ya know?!"

"Yaah, I can see it ... mess with some of the holy writs, man!"

"Yaah, zactly ... like, fer instance, why don't we make the bridge look like a badly designed Apple store? But then we'll give em the uniforms, ya know?"

"Yah, but we gotta make those skirts even shorter than back in the day, see?"

"Right! Then make Kirk a rebel! And Scotty balding! And Uhura ... we gotta get an Uhura with serious hotness!"

"Wait ... we gotta throw em a bigger bone than the uni's, man ... Hey, I got it! What if we get Nimoy? Whaddaya think? I mean, he's not doin' nuthin lately but photographing plus size women! Hell ... he wouldn't even show up fer Shatner's roast!"

"Yaah ... Nimoy, shorter skirts, and an Apple Store! Yaah, that's it! ... Oh, and build the Enterprise on the ground in a corn field!"

[Gulp] [Gulp] [Gulp]

 

[Disco Bones]

You never know; maybe April's Enterprise gets exploded and the new, Pike Enterprise is a timeline-divergent ship.

 

[Mordock]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

QFT and sigged.

 

[Kirk-Fu]

Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shit? I mean, the soul of Star Trek is not found in whether the Enterprise was built in San Francisco or Iowa or Saint Petersburg.

You aren't the only one. I could not care less where the Enterprise is built.