It's official: Thank God for Remastered!
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Hi,
I wanted to contribute a "newbie" opinion to the debate on whether the remastered TOS improved upon the original or not.
I know it sounds superficial, but if it hadn't been for the remastered version I probably never would have watched past the first few episodes. I watched TOS for the first time last year and it was only because I'd seen the original cast movies and I'd enjoyed the character interaction and wanted to see more. I hadn't even considered watching TOS because I feared that the 60s visual effects wouldn't sit well with my 21st century eye and I'd end up getting disappointed.
I really think the remastered TOS is a way of reaching out to younger people, allowing them to discover and appreciate the original series, which would otherwise be avoided by some. And that's something I personally am grateful for because I would have missed something wonderful. I would have missed out on the opportunity to really see how good stories, well-developed characters and charismatic actors are much more important than visual effects. The visual effects are there to support the story, and in the case of the remastered TOS, the new FX actually allows younger viewers to overcome a certain resistance to the idea of an "old" show and focus on the substance of the stories. In the process, you discover that the old show isn't really that old and that the ideas behind it still stand today. And you also wonder at the creativity and resourcefulness of the people who first created the show, with little money and little technology. It's a lesson on human potential that I cherish.
I wanted to contribute a "newbie" opinion to the debate on whether the remastered TOS improved upon the original or not.
I know it sounds superficial, but if it hadn't been for the remastered version I probably never would have watched past the first few episodes. I watched TOS for the first time last year and it was only because I'd seen the original cast movies and I'd enjoyed the character interaction and wanted to see more. I hadn't even considered watching TOS because I feared that the 60s visual effects wouldn't sit well with my 21st century eye and I'd end up getting disappointed.
I really think the remastered TOS is a way of reaching out to younger people, allowing them to discover and appreciate the original series, which would otherwise be avoided by some. And that's something I personally am grateful for because I would have missed something wonderful. I would have missed out on the opportunity to really see how good stories, well-developed characters and charismatic actors are much more important than visual effects. The visual effects are there to support the story, and in the case of the remastered TOS, the new FX actually allows younger viewers to overcome a certain resistance to the idea of an "old" show and focus on the substance of the stories. In the process, you discover that the old show isn't really that old and that the ideas behind it still stand today. And you also wonder at the creativity and resourcefulness of the people who first created the show, with little money and little technology. It's a lesson on human potential that I cherish.
^^ I know a lot of younger viewers say this, but candidly I think it's a cop out. Because it says one's interest can be bought in a superficial way. Because it says unless something or someone is pleasing to the eye then they're not worth paying attention to.
That's what I hear whenever I hear the claim, "If it wasn't for the new f/x I wouldn't have watched."
Well I can flip this on its head because I've seen so many on film and TV that are initially pleasing to the eye and yet they aren't worth wiping your behind with in terms of substance and quality.
That's what I hear whenever I hear the claim, "If it wasn't for the new f/x I wouldn't have watched."
Well I can flip this on its head because I've seen so many on film and TV that are initially pleasing to the eye and yet they aren't worth wiping your behind with in terms of substance and quality.
Yeah, Warped9, you're right. But what it also says is that one experience like this can wake you up to the fact that the eye-pleasing factor doesn't really matter, that you shouldn't let foolish ideas like the one I had about how a 60s show might not look good now stop you from watching a show that's actually high-quality. One's interest or awareness of something (not someone, let's not get into that
) can be aroused in a superficial way, but in the end that superficiality can be overcome.
But since TOS is not ABOUT the FX, it doesn't really matter, as long as peeps discover it, riiiiiiight?
^^^ THIS is how I define "warranted."
Thanks Alienesse, and welcome!
Thanks, Chrisisall. I just don't think that the whole buying attention in a superficial way thing is such a big deal as long as it gets you interested in something good. After all, this is TV we're talking about here, TV works with image as its main medium of communication. Right?
^^ Kids today are spoiled. Back in the day we got Star Trek only on radio or if you were lucky then on audio cassette. 
Before VCRs it was a real bitch trying to record an episode with a cassette tape recorder, pausing during commercials and all the while hoping no one was make too much noise. I once had the crazy idea of trying to get all the episodes on tape, an idea I gave up after maybe half a dozen tries. I wonder if anyone else ever tried this.
Before VCRs it was a real bitch trying to record an episode with a cassette tape recorder, pausing during commercials and all the while hoping no one was make too much noise.
I once had the crazy idea of trying to get all the episodes on tape, an idea I gave up after maybe half a dozen tries. I wonder if anyone else ever tried this.
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Well, in MY house everyone KNEW to STFU between 6 & 7pm!Before VCRs it was a real bitch trying to record an episode with a cassette tape recorder, pausing during commercials and all the while hoping no one was make too much noise.
So yeah, I got all the good eps on audio cassette, WITHOUT commercials! My most listened to eps were Doomsday Machine, Man Trap, Naked Time, Arena & City On The Edge Of Forever. I literally wore those tapes out. I'd go to sleep to them (but not before they were over!).
No. Every release of Star Trek, from the early VHS tape to DVDs to blu-ray have all been remastered.
When I was a kid, I tried to record some of my favorite shows this way, from Starblazers to the Muppet Show. I didn't pause the commercials, though. I liked them. It was a part of the experience for me.^^ Kids today are spoiled. Back in the day we got Star Trek only on radio or if you were lucky then on audio cassette.
Before VCRs it was a real bitch trying to record an episode with a cassette tape recorder, pausing during commercials and all the while hoping no one was make too much noise.
When I was seven or eight I had a reel to reel. I recorded Batman & The Green Hornet (music only). Only in my teens did I get the idea to have entire episodes of anything on tape. And then it was only Star Trek.
When I was six, I watched Star Trek because it looked cool.
When I was ten, I watched Star Trek because it had good stories & characters.
Now I watch Star Trek for both reasons, thanks to the updated FX!!!
I can't gush enough about the new Enterprise detail...
Gush. GUSH GUSH.
Warped9 and others, that was So true about those recordings.
My question remains if folks like Warped9 would truly be satisfied had they taken the model out of the Smithsonian and filmed it in front of a blue screen with ONLY all the equipment that was available to them in the 60s. I really don't think so.
Well, it doesn't LOOK exactly like it did back in 66 due to the creative restoration, first of all. Secondly, with limited and/or old equipment, the same optical drop out & 3rd/4th pass haze would still appear, just differently in different shot recreations. And the lighting would be different, even if they tried to make it look like the original style.
Jarod, some peeps will ONLY be happy with precisely what they saw as a kid.
Hey, but that's not possible now either, with the new TV's & DVD players!!!
They're screwed any way you look at it!!!
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