He's the Master, he's always left dying or presumed back. Only to return and when his apparent death is pointed out he just waves it off as "obviously not as serious as it seemed."
Besides, I'm sure someone on Gallifrey can fix him up.
It's not just Gallifrey that the Doctor will find.
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He's the Master, he's always left dying or presumed back. Only to return and when his apparent death is pointed out he just waves it off as "obviously not as serious as it seemed."
Besides, I'm sure someone on Gallifrey can fix him up.
He's died about three times. Bringing him back again wouldn't make it any worse.
This would be totally cool: In the last episode of next season the doctor finds Gallifrey...and it ends up beeing something harmless he had carried with him all along. They used that cube thing on Gallifrey, if I understood correctly...and it´s now "become" a piece of art that could be anything anywhere in all time and space. What if it ends up beeing that random thing he picked up ages ago when he was the fourth Doctor?
I'm still having trouble reconciling "The Day of the Doctor" with "The End of Time." Are we to assume that Rassilon's plan and Gallifrey's appearance near Earth all happened before "The Day of the Doctor" (from Gallifrey's perspective) and that the War Doctor was conveniently elsewhere? I can't imagine him standing by while that happened.
So, if that's the case, after Rassilon's plan fails and the planet is put back in its original location and leading to the near-fall of Gallifrey, the War Doctor decides the only answer then is to kill everyone on both sides with The Moment.
He and his subsequent incarnations believe that's what happened, but in reality the Doctors all banded together to stow Gallifrey in a pocket dimension. As a result, the Daleks mostly destroyed each other. This does explain why so many were still around in Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways. It's kind of the reverse of what Oswin did to the Daleks in Aslyum of the Daleks when she wiped the Doctor from their memories. The Doctor believed they were all destroyed at his hand when they really just took massive casualities.
I guess that all makes sense...as much as Doctor Who ever does. Did I miss anything?
So, if that's the case, after Rassilon's plan fails and the planet is put back in its original location and leading to the near-fall of Gallifrey, the War Doctor decides the only answer then is to kill everyone on both sides with The Moment.
He and his subsequent incarnations believe that's what happened, but in reality the Doctors all banded together to stow Gallifrey in a pocket dimension. As a result, the Daleks mostly destroyed each other. This does explain why so many were still around in Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways. It's kind of the reverse of what Oswin did to the Daleks in Aslyum of the Daleks when she wiped the Doctor from their memories. The Doctor believed they were all destroyed at his hand when they really just took massive casualities.
I guess that all makes sense...as much as Doctor Who ever does. Did I miss anything?
I think from the Gallifreyans perspective it happened at the same time-ish.
We see Rassilon asking the council "What of the Doctor?", meaning the War Doctor as we now know.
The answer is, that he has the moment and might use it at any given... well, moment.
So Rassilon sees himself forced to act and escape the timelock and ascend the whole species before the destruction and he briefly transfers Gallifrey to Earth's orbit with the help of the link to the Master which is promptly reversed by the Master and the Doctor working together.
Meanwhile the military doesn't give a shit about what Rassilon and the council is doing, cause they are surrounded by Daleks and debating isn't gonna get them out of this mess.
When suddenly all the Doctors show up and put the planet in suspension in a painting or something.
We see Rassilon asking the council "What of the Doctor?", meaning the War Doctor as we now know.
The answer is, that he has the moment and might use it at any given... well, moment.
So Rassilon sees himself forced to act and escape the timelock and ascend the whole species before the destruction and he briefly transfers Gallifrey to Earth's orbit with the help of the link to the Master which is promptly reversed by the Master and the Doctor working together.
Meanwhile the military doesn't give a shit about what Rassilon and the council is doing, cause they are surrounded by Daleks and debating isn't gonna get them out of this mess.
When suddenly all the Doctors show up and put the planet in suspension in a painting or something.
WEIRD couple of hours on Gallifrey.
I'd want to see it as long as they don't get John Simm back.
God, The Last of the Time Lords and The End of Time were awful..
Or another day at the office, depending on your perspective on time travel and alternate timelines.
"The Office: Gallifrey": now that's a show I'd like to see.
They were desperate to save themselves from the Daleks. Given they are the original lords of time, I'm surprised there were only two temporal anomalies.
Day of the Doctor interweaves with EOT, there is even a nod to EOT when the General says the high council has 'its own plans'.
- Fall of Arcadia begins, fighting happens the Doctor is there and the painting is 'captured' .
- Doctor writes 'No More' then escapes in the Tardis.
- Doctor breaks into the time vault and steals the 'Moment' and heads to the desert planet, issues an ultimatum to the Timelords and Daleks.
- The general discovers the 'Moment' is stolen and reports this to the High Council.
- The Doctor talks to the 'Moment' interface and adventure follows from there with 10 and 11.
- Back on Gallifrey, Rassilon and the high council talk about the Doctor having the 'Moment' that he declares he will use on Daleks and Timelords alike.
- Rassilon implements his plan using the Maste, and Gallifrey disappears for a short time and ends up near Earth. Rassilon is stopped and Gallifrey goes back to it's original location with the Daleks firing on them.
- The 13 Doctors show up not very long after with their 'plan' (notice how the Doctor does not deal with the high council and only with the war council ).
- Gallifrey seems to blow up taking the Daleks with them, but in reality Gallifrey is safe but lost in a pocket of time (and yes, the Master is there with them)
- Fall of Arcadia begins, fighting happens the Doctor is there and the painting is 'captured' .
- Doctor writes 'No More' then escapes in the Tardis.
- Doctor breaks into the time vault and steals the 'Moment' and heads to the desert planet, issues an ultimatum to the Timelords and Daleks.
- The general discovers the 'Moment' is stolen and reports this to the High Council.
- The Doctor talks to the 'Moment' interface and adventure follows from there with 10 and 11.
- Back on Gallifrey, Rassilon and the high council talk about the Doctor having the 'Moment' that he declares he will use on Daleks and Timelords alike.
- Rassilon implements his plan using the Maste, and Gallifrey disappears for a short time and ends up near Earth. Rassilon is stopped and Gallifrey goes back to it's original location with the Daleks firing on them.
- The 13 Doctors show up not very long after with their 'plan' (notice how the Doctor does not deal with the high council and only with the war council ).
- Gallifrey seems to blow up taking the Daleks with them, but in reality Gallifrey is safe but lost in a pocket of time (and yes, the Master is there with them)
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There's only one tiny little problem with The Doctor trying to find and release Gallifrey from its pocket dimension; the Dalek Empire. So, what's to stop the Daleks from attacking Gallifrey again and re-igniting the Time War yet again?
Thats a good question. Kinda surprised the Daleks are not already trying to take over the who universe now that the Timelords are not in there way.
Perhaps suffering a few extinctions, most of which had the Doctor involved in some way has made them less ambitious?
I just watched "The End of Time" after seeing the 50th Special in order to try and reconcile what was going on, and it actually works extremely well!
"The End of Time" and "Day of the Doctor" are basically happening simultaneously. In fact, Tennant's Doctor is both on Earth fighting the Master/Rassillon AND with Smith and Hurt getting ready to unleash the Moment.
I was actually surprised at how much sense it made.
Hell, you can even go back further than "End of Time" and use this new story to explain why there are still Daleks all over the place. The Moment should have destroyed Time Lords and Daleks alike, but now that we know what really happened, it makes sense for Daleks to still be galavanting across the universe, while the Time Lords remain locked away.
"The End of Time" and "Day of the Doctor" are basically happening simultaneously. In fact, Tennant's Doctor is both on Earth fighting the Master/Rassillon AND with Smith and Hurt getting ready to unleash the Moment.
I was actually surprised at how much sense it made.
Hell, you can even go back further than "End of Time" and use this new story to explain why there are still Daleks all over the place. The Moment should have destroyed Time Lords and Daleks alike, but now that we know what really happened, it makes sense for Daleks to still be galavanting across the universe, while the Time Lords remain locked away.
My only problem with TDOTD is there is no reference to The Final Sanction and it being a factor in the War Doctor's decision to use The Moment. That's what really matters after all.
With regards to the Dalek's who survived The Moment/Transporting Galifrey to a pocket universe explosiong. I think the surviving Dalek's numbered from a handful to a dozen.
1 Dalek from the episode "Dalek"
The Emperor Dalek's ship with presumably only the Emperor surviving the final day of the time war. Seen in the episodes "Bad Wolf" and "The Parting of the Ways".
The four Dalek's that made up the Cult of Skaro in the episode "Doomsday". Presumably had gone in to the void some time before the final days of the time war.
AH I get ya.
Dalek's shooting at eachother in an epic crossfire does somehow seem appropriate. Despite being geniuses. They aren't to bright in every thing they do.
What I wonder is how could the Time Lords get backed so far in to a corner by an enemy that is shown frequent instances of incompetence/being outsmarted in so man y ways by the Doctor.
Dalek's shooting at eachother in an epic crossfire does somehow seem appropriate. Despite being geniuses. They aren't to bright in every thing they do.
What I wonder is how could the Time Lords get backed so far in to a corner by an enemy that is shown frequent instances of incompetence/being outsmarted in so man y ways by the Doctor.
The Doctor isn't a soldier. He fights the Daleks in the only way he knows how...by using his cunning. The Time Lord army (or whatever they're called) was engaging them in the battlefield, and we've seen how many times that's failed in the past.
