It's ''fans'' like this, that make trekkie's LOOK bad!

[ThunderAeroI]

I dont see anything wrong with his list of information. We all point out problems in plot, and this movie has lots of problems in its plot. It is nice to see a site where you can read about not only the problems in this movie, but all of the movies and shows.

Just because you like something dosn' mean you have to marry it or not insult it.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Ex Astris Scientia is a good and useful site.

But while some of his criticism of Star Trek XI is justified, other points are downright ridiculous... especially this one: "There is a window on the Kelvin bridge instead of a solid wall with a viewscreen as on all other Starfleet vessels of the future or past that were ever shown. This is not a one-off phenomenon, considering that the redesigned Enterprise has such a window too. So there is something different about the parallel universe designs, only that the Kelvin predates this universe."

He's complaining about a window on the Kelvin bridge? Give me a break...

Heh... read down to where he complains about the visual and sound effects. I keep picturing the Comic Collector guy from the Simpsons reading those lines:

"The phasers appear to be firing in bolts, while all previous phaser weapons have fired in slicing beams. Also, all the technology of the Federation make "shooting noises," while past canon has included sound effects with smooth, sizzling or electronic tones. Worst. Movie. Ever."

 

[Warped9]

I'm Sorry, but this guy needs a LIFE! http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-trekxi.htm I mean COME ON MAN! it's just a M.O.V.I.E. It's people like this guy that helped kill enterprise. And he STILL says the NU-E is only 300 m.

You may not like it, but a lot of what he raises occured to me like a bell ringing on cue while I watched the film. All these things kept jarring me out of the story.

It's all this illogic that contributed to me disliking the film.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Warped, every trek movie since TWOK has had these and similar inconsistencies and yet we have all found reasons to ignore them... with a few notable exceptions. All of us--even you--realize that the only time we are unwilling to ignore those inconsistencies is when underlying foundation of the movie (character development, dramatic elements, good lines, good chemistry) are weak. This is why Nemesis is considered a bad movie while TWOK or TUC are considered good movies. It's not that one is less consistent than the other, it's that one had crappy dramatic/character elements where the other did not.

I mean, you might as well say that Rambo is a better movie than The Godfather just because the gangsters were using Tommy Guns at a time period when most mobsters had already stopped using them.

 

[Warped9]

^^ True, and I can't argue that, but what it came down to is that I got nothing from this film because it was all adrenalin and no smarts. And that's not enough for me. It doesn't give me enough for what I like in a good Star Trek adventure.

 

[Scotty]

He lost me at "preface... ".

 

[Mjuice]

Analyzing every detail of the technology and universe and coming up with in-world explanations for apparent inconsistencies seems to me to always have been something that Trek fans used to do. It used to be a part of the experience. Sure its geeky, but so what.

Now it seems there is a mentality of looking down on people who do this and a view that the new movie is so "cool" it doesn't matter if it has inconsistencies. This certainly is what Abrams and co. seem to have thought as well, too busy throwing an endless stream of action scenes and special effects at us to have time to think about what they're doing.

Personally, I'm dissapointed at all the "fans" who are okay with this dumbing down of Trek.

 

[Scotty]

1. Engineering made zero sense to me. All we saw was a maze of pipes. We never even saw the warp core.

As opposed to Enterprise D's engine room, which was just a room with a glowing rod seemingly in the middle of a random corridor?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Analyzing every detail of the technology and universe and coming up with in-world explanations for apparent inconsistencies

Yes like Kirk didn't land on Delta Vega, he landed on Dalta Vrega.

 

[Scotty]

Analyzing every detail of the technology and universe and coming up with in-world explanations for apparent inconsistencies

Yes like Kirk didn't land on Delta Vega, he landed on Dalta Vrega.

No, Delta Vegan.

 

[Falconfire]

Has James Dixon weighed in yet? He is ALWAYS fun. I remember him actually threatening to slice someone's throat back when Enterprise premiered.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^^ True, and I can't argue that, but what it came down to is that I got nothing from this film because it was all adrenalin and no smarts. And that's not enough for me. It doesn't give me enough for what I like in a good Star Trek adventure.

For me, the only one that really did was TMP--indisputably the smartest Trek movie on record. The thing is, I thoroughly enjoyed the Wrath of Khan for all of the same reasons I enjoyed ST-XI and all of the reasons I enjoyed about thirty minutes of Nemesis. Sometimes, you just want to see some starships Thrown Down.

Anyway, sometimes smarts is overrated. I'd rather watch Jim Kirk bludgeon people with his fists than with a mouthful of treknobabble.

 

[Starbreaker]

Come on, let's go beat that nerd up! Stuppid Trekkies!

 

[Sector 7]

He shouldn't quit his day job. If he has one.

He has one. Cleaning his room/mom's basement and taking out the trash. "Don't forget the recyclables!"- mom in Galaxy Quest

I read the entire page. It was interesting. A lot of the inconsistencies I picked up in the movie myself.

A couple I noticed right away in the theatre:

1. The near instant travel from Vulcan to Earth.
2. The Narada just happening to come out of it's time vortex right on top of the Kelvin.
3. The lack of surprise from Capt Robau upon meeting the Romulans.
4. The multiple warp cores being ejected when there should only be one.
5. The enormous shuttle bay size.
6. The Kelvin carrying 800 crew. That's a lot for a scout ship.
7. Engineering made zero sense to me. All we saw was a maze of pipes. We never even saw the warp core.

4. It is about time someone started keeping spare warp cores. For years, something always happens to the one and only warp core, etc., etc.
7. Sure we did. In fact I saw several being jettisoned at the Narada. When in TOS did we even have a warp core breach or see a warp core? That was a TNG gimmick.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Personally, I'm dissapointed at all the "fans" who are okay with this dumbing down of Trek.

Left to its own devices, Trek is a surprisingly dumb franchise; it's the FANS who provide that intelligence, not the producers. ST-XI has the virtue of being vague enough that there's plenty of room for interpretation: less technobabble, more adventure. Sort of like TOS was, except the technical aspects of it are both sufficiently amorphous yet self-consistent that we can make anything we want out of them.

Star Trek has always been a chew toy of tech-happy nerds. Why would we desire it to come to us pre-chewed?

 

[Neopeius]

The only reason we're aware of it is because we are part of Trek fandom; every X-men movie released so far has gotten a similarly chilly response from comic book purists.

Hey, I'm a comic book purist.. and I love the X-Men series *including* Wolvernine.

I'll tell you what irritates me. The same people who gush over Star Trek tell me how awful a movie Wolverine is, usually for stupid, nitpicky reasons.

To throw their logic back at them, just enjoy it. It's a M.O.V.I.E.

Right?

 

[Falconfire]

yeah even Sternback got his feathers ruffled by the warp core thing, and yet as a engineer all I can say is his concept of a core was seriously and dangerously flawed in a practical standpoint.

It made for great suspense but from a design standpoint, I would have hung the guy who gave me those blueprints and hired someone else.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

That is very reminiscent of posts I've read here on this very forum.

 

[zambingo]

I'm Sorry, but this guy needs a LIFE! http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-trekxi.htm I mean COME ON MAN! it's just a M.O.V.I.E. It's people like this guy that helped kill enterprise. And he STILL says the NU-E is only 300 m.

IMO, Enterprise killed itself because it sucked. It was far too little far too late by time Manny came on board.

But point totally taken about the Ex-Astris guy.

 

[cmdrbolly]

You may not like it, but a lot of what he raises occured to me like a bell ringing on cue while I watched the film.

Actually that was Pavlov with din-dins.