I was surprised a few years ago when I started noticing that Seven of Nine is so well-known amongst people who aren't Trek fans. As far as "modern Trek" is concerned she's in there with Picard and maybe Data and Worf as far as I can tell...and no one else really makes the cut.
It wouldn't kill Paramount to make a 5th TNG movie, or will it?
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I was surprised a few years ago when I started noticing that Seven of Nine is so well-known amongst people who aren't Trek fans. As far as "modern Trek" is concerned she's in there with Picard and maybe Data and Worf as far as I can tell...and no one else really makes the cut.
In the late 1990s my wife's gay co-worker went to a costume party as Seven of Nine. He wasn't to her knowledge, a Trek fan. Anecdotal, yes, but to me that shows Seven was well-enough known that someone who wasn't totally into Trek would dress up as her for a costume party and expect people to get it.
I couldn't imagine someone going to a costume party in drag as T'Pol or Counselor Troi. Maybe Uhura, though those TOS outfits are pretty revealing, so that had better be a pretty good drag queen.
I couldn't imagine someone going to a costume party in drag as T'Pol or Counselor Troi. Maybe Uhura, though those TOS outfits are pretty revealing, so that had better be a pretty good drag queen.
comparing the box office numbers of the first four TOS films or Star Trek XI to the TNG films is comparing apples and oranges. The TOS film series began ten years after TOS had ended, allowing a lot of demand to be built up. The TNG film series started right after the show ended.
more importantly, the first four TOS films came out during a time when there was no Trek series on TV. TNG films came out when there was always at least one star trek series on the air, and two series on the air at the same time when FC and INS came out.
a clearer picture is achieved when you compare the TNG films to TFF and TUC, since those are the only TOS films to come out when there was a Trek tv series on the air.
and guess what? TFF and TUC were the least succesful TOS movies, box office-wise.
the TNG movies all compare favorably to those two, except for NEM. And FC was a much bigger hit than either TFF or TUC.
So much for the "much more successful" TOS film series.
more importantly, the first four TOS films came out during a time when there was no Trek series on TV. TNG films came out when there was always at least one star trek series on the air, and two series on the air at the same time when FC and INS came out.
a clearer picture is achieved when you compare the TNG films to TFF and TUC, since those are the only TOS films to come out when there was a Trek tv series on the air.
and guess what? TFF and TUC were the least succesful TOS movies, box office-wise.
the TNG movies all compare favorably to those two, except for NEM. And FC was a much bigger hit than either TFF or TUC.
So much for the "much more successful" TOS film series.
er, what's with the strange romantization of TNG as this purely cerebral form of Trek that didn't do action very well?
ST: FC was a pure action movie and it was the biggest hit of the TNG movies.
and the most popular episode of the TV series is....
BOBW. An action blockbuster episode if Trek ever did one.
so I have to disagree that TNG couldn't do action.
It's comparing dollars to dollars, which is how these decisions are made and why there's no TNG in Trek's future.
When you're looking at the box office on those films, look at their budgets too.
Paramount knows the difference between more profitable and less profitable; they have no commercial motivation to return to TNG in a format where the budget outlays are as substantial as for commercial films now.
Not "pure action" given all the "comedy" shenanigans down on Earth. It's a film with an uneven tone, which is a big part of why it doesn't work for some people.
I didn't compare the first four TOS movies to the TNG movies. I compared the four lowest grossing TOS films to TNG. Neither The Motion Picture ($82 million) or The Voyage Home ($109 million) are in the totals I posted above.
Try again?
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I didn't compare the first four TOS movies to the TNG movies. I compared the four lowest grossing TOS films to TNG. Neither The Motion Picture ($82 million) or The Voyage Home ($109 million) are in the totals I posted above.
Try again?
what do you mean, "try again?" How does this address what I wrote at all? I'm saying that comparing ANY of the first four films to the TNG films box-office wise is unfair to TNG since the first four TOS films came out when there was no Trek TV series on the air.
The ONLY TOS movies you can fairly compare to the TNG ones are TFF and TUC.
And when you do this, you will see that the trend is NOT "TOS movies are much more financially successful than TNG movies." The trend is "star trek movies tend to be more successful when there is not competition from a Star Trek TV series."
and FC, a Next Gen movie, actually bucks that trend, which is impressive.
well of course NO movie is going to be "pure action," you need character and dialogue scenes, but by any standard, FC is an action movie, with the Cochrane scenes or without them.
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Movie Year Box Office Ticket Price Tickets Bought
The Motion Picture 1979 $82,258,456.00 $2.47 33,303,019
The Wrath of Khan 1982 $78,912,963.00 $2.94 26,841,144
Search for Spock 1984 $76,471,046.00 $3.36 22,759,240
The Voyage Home 1986 $109,713,132.00 $3.71 29,572,273
The Final Frontier 1989 $52,210,049.00 $3.99 13,085,225
TUC 1991 $74,888,996.00 $4.21 17,788,360
Generations 1994 $75,671,125.00 $4.08 18,546,844
First Contact 1996 $92,027,888.00 $4.42 20,820,789
Insurrection 1998 $70,187,658.00 $4.69 14,965,386
Nemesis 2002 $43,254,409.00 $5.80 7,457,657http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm
Personally I think the TNG saga is dead and releasing another TNG movie is not gonna excite people that's for sure (only us fans would) and I think the only real successful TNG movie was First Contact or am I wrong??? so the others did not deliver as much so I don't think a 5th movie would add anything anyways the Star Trek Franchise is staying alive with these big Budget movies such as that star trek 09 and the new one coming is what's keeping the franchise a float because they attract large audiences so would a TNG movie do the same, some how I don't think so (sadly
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)I already know this, which is why I wrote that starting with TFF, the TOS films were NOT more profitable than the TNG films. Look at the numbers.
Generations and FC did as well or better than both. INS did much better than TFF and only very slightly below TUC.
the only big box office failure of the TNG films was NEM. Gen and FC were both hits, INS at least broke even, NEM was a bomb.
the split in the films was NOT TOS vs. TNG. The split in the films is pre-TFF vs. post-TFF.
The only film to do significantly better than a TMP-TVH film of the original ten was FC.
Forget it I tried to explain it to him but all i get was this:,,,,,
We can't all be the beacons of enlightenment that you are.
Forget it I tried to explain it to him but all i get was this:,,,,,
We're all ahead of you here...
Hey, it's not easy making a movie that's part "Night of the Living Dead" and "Arthur."
