"It is time for the Jedi ... to end" Poll/Discussion Thread

[Romulan_spy]

I am sure by now, every Star Wars fan knows about Luke's controversial statement in the new trailer. I figured it could get its own thread rather than be buried in the trailer thread.

I see a few possible theories:
1) Luke really does want the Jedi to end because he has embraced the Dark Side.
2) Luke wants to reform the Jedi into something new and better.
3) Luke wants to end the never ending cycle of war between the Light and the Dark Side.
4) Luke says he wants the Jedi to end out of despair and disillusionment from losing his Jedi students to Kylo's attack. But Rey turns him around.
5) Luke has learned a deeper truth about the Force and does not identify as either Jedi or Sith.

Discuss and vote on which theory you think is most likely.

 

[Tuskin38]

2 and 5 could be possible, he is supposedly at the very first Jedi Temple, he may have found something to change his worldly view.

 

[kirk55555]

I'm going with
Luke has lost hope in the Jedi at the start of the movie but Rey helps him come around.

Regardless of the fact that I think removing the jedi would be stupid from a story standpoint, taking my opinion out of it I don't see Disney getting rid of such a popular and profitable part of the SW universe. Jedi/Sith stuff sells, eliminating that dynamic makes no sense from a business perspective, even if they could still tell stories about older jedi/sith fights, etc.

 

[Reverend]

I'm going with: 6) We don't have any real context for that statement, or know if that line is even going to end up in the movie.

Remember the TFA teaser had several misleading things (intentionally and otherwise) and the movie we got was totally different from what most theorised at the time. It even had dialogue from Luke that definitely didn't end up in the movie. It was recorded by Hamill specifically for that trailer (later mixed with his original RotJ dialogue) and likewise Hamill said just the other day that he'd been recording dialogue for this new trailer very recently.

So all of that may have been pure invention. Not unlike those awesome tone poem trailers they did for TPM back in the day.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Regardless of the fact that I think removing the jedi would be stupid from a story standpoint, taking my opinion out of it I don't see Disney getting rid of such a popular and profitable part of the SW universe. Jedi/Sith stuff sells, eliminating that dynamic makes no sense from a business perspective, even if they could still tell stories about older jedi/sith fights, etc.

From a business perspective, you are absolutely correct. I also think the theory would work well from a story telling perspective. It's pretty classic story telling to have the hero start in a place of despair, only to be motivated by a younger character, to eventually rise up again and save the day. Luke could start in a place of not wanting to have anything to do with the universe. He tells Rey about how he tried to train new Jedi but watched his own student, Kylo, turn to the Dark Side and kill them all, and as a result, has given up hope on the Jedi. Rey is the new character, full of hope and energy, who reminds Luke of his younger self. She inspires Luke that there is still hope. So Luke trains Rey and eventually Luke and Rey set off to stop Kylo once and for all. It would make for great story telling.

Having said that, I like theories 2 and 5 because I feel like they would allow Star Wars to create a bigger narrative. It could allow stories that take the ideas of the Force and Light and Dark in new directions. That seems very compelling to me.

 

[Ithekro]

Oddly I think they are going to go for something new, and then, after Star Wars: Rebels ends next year, start up an Old Republic era series that goes more into the backstory of what the Jedi and Sith actually were and what Luke was basing his new teaching to Rey on. Everything is getting connected with the Disney owned Lucasfilm. Setup a plot that tells a story, but have that story deserve a massive backstory to enlighten the audience that cares to see it.

It also gives them the perfect excuse to dive into a Old Republic setting were there are lots of Jedi and Sith, as well as perhaps other Force users that eventually get marginalized by the Jedi and Sith.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The poll options aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm with @Reverend: it's too soon to tell.

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[kirk55555]

From a business perspective, you are absolutely correct. I also think the theory would work well from a story telling perspective. It's pretty classic story telling to have the hero start in a place of despair, only to be motivated by a younger character, to eventually rise up again and save the day. Luke could start in a place of not wanting to have anything to do with the universe. He tells Rey about how he tried to train new Jedi but watched his own student, Kylo, turn to the Dark Side and kill them all, and as a result, has given up hope on the Jedi. Rey is the new character, full of hope and energy, who reminds Luke of his younger self. She inspires Luke that there is still hope. So Luke trains Rey and eventually Luke and Rey set off to stop Kylo once and for all. It would make for great story telling.

I think this is probably what will happen. It makes sense, would probably be a great story and of course keeps the Jedi around, which I'd prefer anyway but also makes sense from a money making standpoint.

Having said that, I like theories 2 and 5 because I feel like they would allow Star Wars to create a bigger narrative. It could allow stories that take the ideas of the Force and Light and Dark in new directions. That seems very compelling to me.

I can see that. Personally, I've never met a "Grey side" force person/philosophy that didn't really irritate me. I think Jacen Solo tried to do that before he went full Sith (although I've suppressed my NJO and later Jacen Solo story memories out of irritation with the character, so I could be wrong about that), and the bit I saw of bendu just reminded me of the annoying "Neutral because we don't want to do anything" type characters. Still, it would be something different. I just don't see Disney going that different with the Star Wars franchise, at least not in the movies.

 

[INACTIVESamusAranX]

It better be option 2 or 4. The Jedi are Star Wars. They make that franchise, the movies. It's always been about the Jedi, about their commitment to good against evil.

 

[JD]

I went with three. I think all of the talk of balance we've seen lately is leading up to a the Light and Dark Side users joining forces to create new type of Force user who embraces a balanced a approach to the Force.
Or thinking about it more, 2 could be pretty likely. Maybe he's looked at the history of the Jedi and has seen where they made their mistakes, and so now he wants to create something new that will take a different approach. So this would keep the whole light side/dark side conflict, but Luke would move things away from the philosophies and practices that the Jedi to their downfall.

 

[Set Harth]

Were the Jedi led to their downfall by being too light side?

 

[kirk55555]

I always thought that the Jedi had their downfall by being too rigid. They detached themselves too much from people. Attachment can lead to darkside stuff, but I don't think its something they should have abandoned to become somewhat snobby monks. In the old EU, the Jedi from the era before the old Republic sometimes got married, had kids, and didn't fall to the darkside at a higher rate then later Jedi. That obviously isn't necessarily canon now, but it made sense.

It wasn't being too much on the lightside that screwed the Jedi, and going "grey" wouldn't have saved them. It was detachment, in my opinion, that was their biggest issue. At least based on what we've seen and know of the jedi. Thats just my theory, though.

 

[Campe]

I would like it to be option 2. I think opening up the whole idea of the Force, the Jedi and the Sith into something greater is a very intriguing idea with much in the way of storytelling possibilities. As I mentioned in the trailer thread, there's already a lot of groundwork laid for such a possibility beyond the saga films.

Having said that, it's more likely to be option 4.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think we enough information to conclude.

 

[Kirby]

It's time for the Jedi to end... HIGH PRICES!!!!! Come one down to Crazy Luke's for prices so low it's insane! Futons, love seats, recliners discounted so much I'm practically giving them away.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

In his years of isolation, Luke has started to speak like Yoda. So, the actual line is:

"The Dark Side, it's time for the Jedi to end."

Do I win the internet?

 

[Ithekro]

It's time for the Jedi to end... HIGH PRICES!!!!! Come one down to Crazy Luke's for prices so low it's insane! Futons, love seats, recliners discounted so much I'm practically giving them away.

Mark Hamill might almost go for that.

 

[DigificWriter]

All of you realize that the Jedi are a specific sect of Force users who follow a very specific set of precepts, rules, and principles, right?

By saying that it is "time for the Jedi to end", all that Luke is saying that whatever he experienced on Ach-to has convinced him that it is time for the specific principles, rules, and precepts that defined the Jedi Order to be abandoned, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[TrekMD]

It's to hard to know exactly what he meant but I'm hoping it is something along the lines of #5.

 

[LJones41]

All of you realize that the Jedi are a specific sect of Force users who follow a very specific set of precepts, rules, and principles, right?

By saying that it is "time for the Jedi to end", all that Luke is saying that whatever he experienced on Ach-to has convinced him that it is time for the specific principles, rules, and precepts that defined the Jedi Order to be abandoned, nothing more and nothing less.

Why didn't Luke abandon them in the past and try to teach the Force his way?