Is warp drive in the Kelvin universe much faster than the prime timeline?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by The Rock, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. Nyotarules

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    Its classified like the MU was in Kirk's era and transwarp beaming was in whatever era Prime Scotty invented it. Or Tom Paris was a very slow pilot and took the long route home to avoid jail
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    Because if it's Kelvan, maybe it requires a component far advanced of our technology. But if Starfleet officers could figure our spore jumps in the 2250's, then Voyager with access to more knowledge and better resources could do it too.

    Perhaps they'll write it off more permanently when Disco finishes, but seeing as the spore network is apparently the thing that links life throughout the multiverse, killing it outright isn't an option.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

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    All the components were on the Enterprise. The Kelvans and the Federation parted on good terms. I think they even moved to a Federation planet. No reason why the specs wouldn't be just as available as the Spore Drive.
    "More knowledge and better resources" should apply to all past technology not just the Spore Drive.
     
  4. Nyotarules

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    Section 13 covered it up from Section 31
     
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    Those sneaky bastards don't even trust themselves!
     
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    I'm pretty sure there's a "Break in case of Emergency" part of the main computer.. So, lets say your stranded 70,000 light years away from home. Captain aske the computer, Emergency 0023, emergency contingency for being far from home. And the computer would ask for id, then list all classified files on how to shorten a trip home, and the risks of each contingency.
    Spore drive may or may not be on there.. depending if we got kicked off the network.
     
  7. psCargile

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    Same amount of time. They don't film the boring parts where nothing happens.
     
  8. Timo

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    In the end, most of the Trek shortcuts have been closely tied to time and place, and would not be applicable in the generic case. The mushroom overdrive isn't one of those things, so we just have to wait for DSC to press the reset button on that one. But for example "Descent" style Borg corridors would require the Borg to build ones first, or to point our heroes to a convenient door. And if Kirk couldn't reuse the drive of the Kelvans, then probably nobody else could, either. Etc.

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  9. Fandango831

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    I'd say it's rare for Trek to ever be truly accurate of time-scaling to warp unless it's absolutely necessary on screen. Overall for the KT universe I'd say that warp doesn't feel any faster (maybe more wormholey visually speaking) just that the distance between stellar bodies and objectives is greatly reduced for drama purposes in each film i.e. Earth to Vulcan, Moon to Earth Atmo, Yorktown to Altamid and Earth to Q'onos. Warp however feels about typical in terms of speed. Still love ECHenry's video on warp comparisons and would probably put the KT Enterprise in the Warp 9.0 space considering its size just for the hell of it. Linked below ;)
     
  10. BillJ

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    Who cares? Warp is there to service the plot.

    Someone crunched the numbers and figured out the NX-01 was actually faster than Voyager, based on the location of Kronos in Star Charts.
     
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    From day one ALL Star Trek ships have traveled at "The speed of Plot" - IE They travel as fast as they need to, to make the plot of the episode/film whatever, work.

    So, no, the kelvin ships aren't travelling any faster than previous incarnations. ;)
     
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  12. MAGolding

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    Didn't the TOS timeline ship perform the exact same journey on screen?

    In Star trek VI:The Undiscovered Country:

    So their mission is to meet Gorkon's ship at the border and escort it through Federation space to Earth.

    Later, Kirk seems to be unpacking in his quarters on the Enterprise:

    So Kirk seems to be unpacking in his quarters and they are already almost at the rendezvous point on the bordder. The trip seems to take less than one Earth day.

    Later, having dinner with Gorkon, Kirk says:

    This implies that in the era of the TOS movies the trip from Earth to the Klingon border can take a lot less than a day.
     
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  13. Serveaux

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    Warp drive is whatever a particular movie or episode says it is. It has never been consistent.
     
  14. Timo

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    Yup. Although not in any great hurry. Which is somewhat annoying, as ships in a hurry ought to be significantly faster than those that are not, an order of magnitude faster.

    Excellent point! And goes well with everything else known about the Earth/Klingon Empire spatial relationship.

    ...But this is somewhat debatable, as Kirk may be referring to the acquiring of the illegal ale, rather than to the illegal act of gulping it down. It might require a thousand-lightyear trip to reach your trusted Romulan supplier, even if Kirk and Gorkon currently are much less than 1000 ly from the zealous homeport authorities of either party.

    So yes, a day or so from Earth to Klingon border, and the Klingon hubworld may lie even closer to that border than Earth does. But the absolute distance might be more in line with the preponderance of Trek travel time, distance and speed references.

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    Kronos is 90 lightyears away. 4 days at Warp 4.5 with significant delays. Warp 9 in a direct line should take far far less time.
     
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    Ships in warp travel at the speed of plot.
     
  17. ISS Enterprise

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    Agreed, this combined with the pace of the Kelvin films moving faster compounds it. The flight home from Q'onoS taking on screen cpl mins was bad n made little sense, but not worst thing in that movie
     
  18. Timo

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    Why is it bad that Earth and its greatest enemy are but a short hop from each other? Wouldn't proximity be a perfect reason for the degree of enmity?

    Now Romulans... Those were they guys who could be forgotten for a century because they were chicken-wire-fenced in some forgotten corner. But Klingons have never been indicated to be distant. That they didn't conquer Earth during the reign of Elizabeth I or even II yet seems to be solely due to Earth having been in the Vulcan sphere of influence, not distance.

    Timo Saloniemi