Is this what JJ envisions for TREK XI sfx (BSG style)?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Gee, I never experience the least disorientation as a result of the camera work on BSG. And the effects are far better than those on the later Trek shows - in fact, ZOIC's effects for "Firefly" and their early work on BSG are a high-water mark for this kind of thing on modern television.

If someone doesn't appreciate the characters or the writing on the series...well there's always the fourteen seasons of "Stargate" pabulum at this point.

 

[trevanian]

Uptightgirl said:

archeryguy1701 said:
No. I like it on BSG, but there's only so much shaky cam that I can stand. Besides, looking at that clip, it may look fairly good, but Trek ships, or at least TOS ships, don't seem to work well for that kind of shot

nuBsg is truly awful.
Gives me a headache with that stupid shaky cam rubbish and the endless talky,talky,talky,talky never ending anguish anguish about their stupid drunken rehab past.Who cares?

I really like Moore's BSG, but I have to say that this is IN SPITE of some of its production values. While the ship fx are sometimes great, rarely bad, the live-action is very hard to watch.

In fact, I remember thinking after watching the first shows where Baltar is aboard a cylon base star, that particular sequence is going to date BSG as being an early digital show in EXACTLY the same way that the soft blurry Bigfoot episodes of SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN dates that show as being a by-the-numbers 70s tv series ... it is quite unfortunate IMO, as I find the show fascinating and surprising and pretty goddamn smart, but also find that sometimes I'll just look the other way and listen to it, because it just isn't pleasant to watch.

 

[MANT!]

The "Big E" should NEVER look like an F-16 at an airshow, just my humble opinion.. make her look HUGE..change the camera angles..show different parts of the ship's exterior..just don't make it look like it was filmed by an amature standing on the runway waiting for a plane crash.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Cyrus said:
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling Uptightgirl doesn't like BSG.

Can't say I blame her, really.

I definitely wouldn't want ST XI looking like that.

 

[Herald]

Every time I watch that clip, I expect Godzilla to show up and swat Enterprise out of the sky

 

[igrokbok]

goldbug said:
The "Big E" should NEVER look like an F-16 at an airshow, just my humble opinion.. make her look HUGE..change the camera angles..show different parts of the ship's exterior..just don't make it look like it was filmed by an amature standing on the runway waiting for a plane crash.

Have to agree. The video of some UFO enthusiast tring to capture a tiny blip of light hopping about the night sky is where this type of "photography" belongs. I'd rather the FX of 1701 look like it was taken by a a dteady cam along side an ocean liner.

 

[Holytomato]

Here's an odd thing...I found the video before I found this thread.

I still like it. :thumbsup:

Oh, wait...

:TRUE Trekker mode on:

"nuBSG SUCKS! nuBSG SUCKS! nuBSG sucks!"...

 

[Dale]

Thumbs down on the whole shaky-cam thing. It worked on Firefly, can't say whether it works on nuBSG because I don't watch it, but it's not for Star Trek.

 

[xortex]

A steadier version would work from the possible pov from an invisable ship.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

middyseafort said:
Now the remainder of the movie, the casting of a horrible Caucasian actor instead of a Filipino actor.

True. I thought Anthony Ruivivar - who played Shujumi in the film - would have been a far more appropriate choice for Rico than van Dien. Aside from ethnicity, Ruivivar is an infinitely better actor, as he demonstrated on numerous occasions in Third Watch.

Zero Hour said:
Eh, since he's one of the few directors of space movies also in possession of a degree in Physics, I'll happily swallow his take on realism

Does that include the Arachnids' plasma-initiated asteroid bombardment system for destroying cities on Earth from halfway across the galaxy?

TGT

 

[xortex]

That was cool.

 

[Kegek]

Holytomato said:
Here's an odd thing...I found the video before I found this thread.

So did I. A link to it was posted here a while back, purporting to be genuine Star Trek special effects.

 

[starburst]

looked like it was being filmed at an airshow or something my a video camera.

Could work for a visual if say a cloaked Romulan ship was following them say...and the video feed was being relayed to a Romulan base somewhere (or whatever alien)

I agree with the statement on some of the ENT effects, I liked them

 

[Sci]

I'm perfectly happy to let the new Trek film experiment with styles of filming that are new and original to Trek. I'm more concerned with the story than with whether or not it uses expressionist lighting.

 

[ancient]

OK, for BSG it might work because they have these fast little fighter things zipping about. So if the invisible god-like camera person is swooping around to get the best shot, ie 'shakey cam' then it's fine by me.

But that method would look idiotic filming a big, slow-moving starship battle.

In documentaries, the camera does not swoop the miles it would take to do a pan-shot of something the size of an Aircraft carrier. It CANNOT be physically accomplished. It sits IN PLACE and for small fast moving objects will quickly move to keep them in frame.

If they use the shakey cam on starships they are morons.

If they use it on small craft...whatever. Happy days.

 

[Stag]

Holytomato said:
Here's an odd thing...I found the video before I found this thread...

I saw it awhile ago myself and just sort of dismissed it with the thought that many had here, this won't work for TREK and the types of ships and how it has been shot in the past.

Then I saw BSG Razor and it got me thinking again, what if JJ totally wants to throw everything out the window visually to create a definite break or line in the sand between the Roddenberry/Berman era and the JJ era.

BSG sort of had the luxury of time between the BSG TOS and nuBSG. Movie making technology, SFX styles had a time to change and audiences, of course, had increased expectations of what was acceptable or believable. So naturally there HAD to be a visual difference of some sort between BSG TOS and nuBSG.

TREK only ended a relatively short time ago. There has not been that many SFX advances or changes since the last episode of ENT and today. So could JJ force the issue with just totally flipping the visual style upside down to create nuTREK its own visual identity yet retaining the same recognizeable elements (ship layout, names, etc...)?

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I said "No".

As others have stated, there is nothing wrong with the "shaky-cam" -- it certainly has it's place. I think it works very well for nuBSG because it adds to the gritty realism that the show's creative team is going for.

nuBSG is good, but Star Trek is not BSG, nor should it ever be like BSG...they are two totally different things. Star Trek has a certain 'tone' and feel to which I think Abrams must be sensitive. That "Star Trek Feel" is just as important as the characters and canon. That feel shouldn't be messed with by use of a "shaky-cam". That would make it less "Star Trek-like".

 

[starburst]

Well hes a Star Trek fan...so Im guessing he isnt going to go out of his way to change everything

 

[xortex]

Stag said:

Holytomato said:
Here's an odd thing...I found the video before I found this thread...

I saw it awhile ago myself and just sort of dismissed it with the thought that many had here, this won't work for TREK and the types of ships and how it has been shot in the past.

Then I saw BSG Razor and it got me thinking again, what if JJ totally wants to throw everything out the window visually to create a definite break or line in the sand between the Roddenberry/Berman era and the JJ era.

BSG sort of had the luxury of time between the BSG TOS and nuBSG. Movie making technology, SFX styles had a time to change and audiences, of course, had increased expectations of what was acceptable or believable. So naturally there HAD to be a visual difference of some sort between BSG TOS and nuBSG.

TREK only ended a relatively short time ago. There has not been that many SFX advances or changes since the last episode of ENT and today. So could JJ force the issue with just totally flipping the visual style upside down to create nuTREK its own visual identity yet retaining the same recognizeable elements (ship layout, names, etc...)?

I hope so. :thumbsup:

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The God Thing said:

middyseafort said:
Now the remainder of the movie, the casting of a horrible Caucasian actor instead of a Filipino actor.

True. I thought Anthony Ruivivar - who played Shujumi in the film - would have been a far more appropriate choice for Rico than van Dien. Aside from ethnicity, Ruivivar is an infinitely better actor, as he demonstrated on numerous occasions in Third Watch.

TGT

Indeed. Verhoeven dealt a blow to us in the Fil-Am community, especially us SF fans, with the casting choice he made. Good actors of Filipino descent are out there as you've pointed out.