I think the issue is that the amount of space battle we saw was already stultifying enough and it sounds like you want even more space battle, which I agree would be pretty awful.
Is this a better NEMESIS final scene idea?
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To be fair, the goal was to disable the Enterprise, and force Picard to surrender. The small Reman strike team was kind of off, but the hole punched in the Enterprise's shields that allowed them to eam over might have existed too briefly for further Remans to beam over. Successfully, that is.
Those Romulan ships got axed faster because there was noone onboard that Shinzon gave a hoot about.
It was still silly, though.
Those Romulan ships got axed faster because there was noone onboard that Shinzon gave a hoot about.
It was still silly, though.
Kind of an understatement when you consider the fact that the Reman strike force beamed on Deck 29 on a 24 deck vessel. Well below the very bottom of the ship when Picard is on Deck 1. How were they planning on getting to the bridge? Just walking slowly through the corridors and hope the turbo lifts will accept unwanted intruders?
The "Nemesis" budget was already bigger than previous TNG movies, IIRC. And its box office returns were less.
You really think a huge space flotilla battle scene would have saved the movie on premiere night? For whatever reason, opening weekend moviegoers in the US went to see J-Lo in "Maid in Manhattan" instead of "Nemesis". ST fans chose not to organise theatre parties. Chose not to book out whole rows of cinemas for gatherings with colleagues in Starfleet uniforms. It's not as if they heard in advance that the producers had scrimped on an all-out SPFX battle scene so J-Lo was suddenly of more interest to them.
As for a huge space battle in "First Contact", it was really a very minor part of that movie. At the beginning, and mostly offscreen, not as the climax.
I know I can't speak for everyone, but I was following Nemesis pretty closely after being disappointed with Insurrection (though I still saw that a couple of times in the theatre and on opening night) and the more I learned about the plot of Nemesis the less interested I was. It just sounded like bad fanfic to me and I almost didn't see it in the cinema at all. When I did see it I was in a small town (okay, the City of Stirling) in a mostly empty cinema and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
The Final Frontier was at least fun in places; this was not fun. I'm not at all surprised fans failed to support it.
Well I'm not just saying for the sake of doing it but as the logical conclusion for dealing with something like the Scimitar instead of trying to ape Spock's TWOK sacrifice as a way to defeat the Scimitar. Note that I envision this to replace the whole lame theme and replacing it with one that that could have perhaps inspired a few more repeat viewings in theater instead of another yawn on the heels in the Insurrection. The Ent-E obviously couldn't do it on it's own and that's the only way that makes sense other than a lame deus ex machina.
But yeah, adding a big space battle to the climax would have greatly bloated that budget further. New Romulan ships are nice, of course, but the Scimitar shredding up a couple D'deridex as well would have been good, too. As you note, this wasn't the initial scene of First Contact but could have been the Star Trek equivalent of the Battle of Yavin done full bore. THAT would have been something different from both Insurrection and Nemesis. Surely not for everyone, but neither is JJ Trek and that was successful enough.
But people in the USA didn't even go once - on opening night - long before they'd read any reviews.
The total lack of curiosity is what killed its box office. Interestingly, though, when the DVD came out in the US, it held the top-seller record for its premiere. So the American fans had voted with their no-bums on seats, but then let their curiosity reign supreme. Anything but seeing seen in public watching the movie!
I went opening night with my family. We loved it. I saw it 5 times before it vanished.
Dear Paramount: that $88 you got from us? You're welcome.
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