Is this a better NEMESIS final scene idea?

[Bry_Sinclair]

B-4 should have been dismantled and scrapped. The whole thing about him having Data's memories, cheapens Data's death. He should have been like Yar and not Spock, and stayed dead!

That is probably my biggest problem with the whole film.

As for inspecting the work, that could have been alright. Picard and La Forge (now with Commander's pips and sporting a red collar) taking a tour around the E-E. Though not sure how that would actually work at the end of the film, it would depend on what they were discussing.

 

[Sean Aaron]

Any idea that isn't a complete scrap of Nemesis really doesn't work well for me.

My feelings pretty much. After watching that disaster I think having the ship be destroyed with all hands lost would have been an ending I could live with.

 

[Galileo7]

I always thought the movie should have been reversed. It starts with Picard on Earth getting orders to go to Romulus, then they get to the drydock. And the ending would have been the wedding. Riker and Picard part ways. And the Titan and Enterprise leave orbit in different directions.

Agreed. I like the nod to the beginning of TMP (drydock) and the end of TUC(1701-A and Excelsior parting ways).

 

[RoJoHen]

I always thought the movie should have been reversed. It starts with Picard on Earth getting orders to go to Romulus, then they get to the drydock. And the ending would have been the wedding. Riker and Picard part ways. And the Titan and Enterprise leave orbit in different directions.

I never thought of this, but I completely agree! This would have been a much better order of things. And I think it would have made Data's death much more poignant, with him being absent at the wedding.

You have to understand that at the time, the producers weren't thinking that Nemesis was going to be the last TNG movie. If they did, then Data dying would have been pointless because he only died because Spiner didn't want to play him anymore in future films. Hence, there was no need to have any "final" closing scene to conclude the movie series.

Really? I thought the movie had been advertised from conception as "the last voyage of a Generation" or somesuch?

dJE

It was being advertised more as "the beginning of the end" or something. They were wanting Nemesis to be kind of a Part 1 and then end the series with one more movie afterward.

 

[JarodRussell]

Any idea that isn't a complete scrap of Nemesis really doesn't work well for me. We don't need another Data clone. We don't need any more CLONES in general; we already have Lore and Thomas Riker as it is. We don't need complete rewrites of character personalities and scenes that don't many any sense. This was the worst abomination of film to happen in my lifetime, and the fact that it was the last showing for The Next Generation-- something I love, sickens me to no end. So sad people keeping bringing it up

Maybe they should have extended the clone storyline. Picard clone somehow ends up in the mines on Remus, but other clones are successfully planted in the Federation. The current Captain of the Titan perhaps, so that the Enterprise would have to fight against a Starfleet ship at some point. Or something.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe they should have bitten the bullet and designed a USS Titan, and ended "Nemesis" farewelling the Rikers, and a few cameo faces from TNG as crew, as they ventured off onto their own spin-off series of telemovies?

Well, Rick Sternbach did draw some concept art of what I think was supposed to be the Titan. I'm sure he can correct me if I'm wrong (although, no offense Mr. Sternbach, but the design wasn't one of your best works)

But yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Stewart and Spiner weren't interested in more Trek, and Beverly going off to SM was fine too since Gates McFadden never did shit in all four movies and wouldn't be missed. So you have Frakes, Sirtis, Burton and Dorn, who all seemed to want to continue doing Trek (well, I'm unsure about Dorn), so why not continue with the Titan instead of the Enterprise-E?

That also would have worked so much better with "These are the Voyages...", the finale of "Enterprise". How much more believable to see now-Captain Riker filled with self-doubt about shipping off on the Titan, than seeing poor ol' Frakes and Sirtis pretending to be thinner and younger in scenes from "The Pegasus"?

That would have totally made perfect sense. The only thing that would have made more sense is if they used the Enterprise-F for "Azati Prime" instead of the Enterprise-J (and drop the battle back to the 25th century) and then we find out in TATV that Riker now commands the F!

 

[Sean Aaron]

Picard clone somehow ends up in the mines on Remus, but other clones are successfully planted in the Federation. The current Captain of the Titan perhaps, so that the Enterprise would have to fight against a Starfleet ship at some point. Or something.

What like re-do Conspiracy, but instead of parasites it's Picard clones everywhere? That would actually be fun in a crazy way - probably should have done that instead of Nemesis!

 

[Rick Sternbach]

Well, Rick Sternbach did draw some concept art of what I think was supposed to be the Titan. I'm sure he can correct me if I'm wrong (although, no offense Mr. Sternbach, but the design wasn't one of your best works)

No offense taken, because whatever design you're thinking of probably wasn't mine. Didn't do any ships for Nemesis.

Rick

 

[Dukhat]

Well, Rick Sternbach did draw some concept art of what I think was supposed to be the Titan. I'm sure he can correct me if I'm wrong (although, no offense Mr. Sternbach, but the design wasn't one of your best works)

No offense taken, because whatever design you're thinking of probably wasn't mine. Didn't do any ships for Nemesis.

Rick

Here's the pic in question. For those with sore eyes, it reads, "Riker's ship emergency concept - NEMESIS," and what looks like Mr. Sternbach's signature. The ship's name and reg is "USS Sterngazer NCC-43468." So, no, it doesn't actually say "Titan," but I figured maybe it was an early sketch and the name of Riker's ship wasn't known yet (not that I though it was seriously going to be called the "Sterngazer!")

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3418/81218700.jpg

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Riker waits in line to take charge of the Enterprise, then jumps ship for the shovel with a pair of baby bottles.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Rick Sternbach]

Here's the pic in question. For those with sore eyes, it reads, "Riker's ship emergency concept - NEMESIS," and what looks like Mr. Sternbach's signature. The ship's name and reg is "USS Sterngazer NCC-43468." So, no, it doesn't actually say "Titan," but I figured maybe it was an early sketch and the name of Riker's ship wasn't known yet (not that I though it was seriously going to be called the "Sterngazer!")

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3418/81218700.jpg

It's the guys in the former DS9 art department having a little fun at my expense. They did goofy stuff like that a lot.

Rick

 

[number6]

It looks like a warp spatula.

 

[Dukhat]

It's the guys in the former DS9 art department having a little fun at my expense. They did goofy stuff like that a lot.

Rick

Unfortunately I found that pic on an auction site of other Trek memorabilia, and they're claiming it's your original artwork (Not calling them liars though...for all I know they may think you drew it just like I did...)

 

[JarodRussell]

Here's the pic in question. For those with sore eyes, it reads, "Riker's ship emergency concept - NEMESIS," and what looks like Mr. Sternbach's signature. The ship's name and reg is "USS Sterngazer NCC-43468." So, no, it doesn't actually say "Titan," but I figured maybe it was an early sketch and the name of Riker's ship wasn't known yet (not that I though it was seriously going to be called the "Sterngazer!")

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3418/81218700.jpg

It's the guys in the former DS9 art department having a little fun at my expense. They did goofy stuff like that a lot.

Rick

Looks better than the Abramsprise though.

 

[Colonel Midnight]

Maybe THAT was the inspiration for the ENT-J... *kidding*

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[Uxi]

I always thought the movie should have been reversed. It starts with Picard on Earth getting orders to go to Romulus, then they get to the drydock. And the ending would have been the wedding. Riker and Picard part ways. And the Titan and Enterprise leave orbit in different directions.

Better yet, start on Earth, still have the wedding in the beginning. Have Riker and Troi leave in the BEGINNING and be a part of the task force. Ermm... delete the B4 and mindrape subplots entirely. Big fight between the whole Task Force and the Scimitar with the Scimitar mauling the Feds pretty bad until the other Romulans show up and save the day, though at grievous cost. Probably can't stop them from the Data death but making it real without B4 as a Katra wannabe would make it mean something.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Big fight between the whole Task Force and the Scimitar with the Scimitar mauling the Feds pretty bad...

Snore.

That's not my Star Trek.

 

[Solarbaby]

^Agree, perhaps the scene should have had the 1701-E repairs already completed in drydock.

If too much time has elapsed (weeks, months), they won't be as weepy over the loss of Data.

How would the ship get back at all in such a short amount time for the crew to still be grieving. They weren't on Earth's doorstep. They had no way of going to warp with the amount of damage the ship took. Even if the structural integrity was ok and the engines were online there was so many pieces of hull hanging off and out that a warp field would be impossible to maintain. I doubt ships towing it home would travel at maximum warp.

In Voyager I seem to recall that a Kazon ship crashed into the hull deliberately and Janeway said they couldn't go to warp with it sticking out the side. So I have to take that as canon and apply to a far worse afflicted ship hull geometry for the Enterprise E

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

That's silly. The Ent-E was still in one piece. It wasn't drifting apart, it only had a chunk taken out.

It's like that accident a couple of years back where I lost my back bumper. Sure, there's a noticeable chunk missing from my car, but it's honestly not critical to the overall integrity of the vehicle.

 

[Uxi]

Big fight between the whole Task Force and the Scimitar with the Scimitar mauling the Feds pretty bad...

Snore.

That's not my Star Trek.

Eh? Is First Contact not your Trek, either? Include the rest of the sentence instead of selective editing and it sounds perfectly like my Star Trek, ex. BoBW. The only reason they didn't is because of the budget.