It ends with two sides figuring out that the conflict was because of misunderstanding, the script ends with reconciliation instead of a boss fight or is my memory betraying me?
Is there an Orci script for the third Kelvinverse movie?
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Never heard of anyone seeing the script, but there must've been enough of one for an Art Dept to have been working on designs.
It was about a race between competing factions to acquire a time-travel device.
I once read Bob Orci describe the plot as "the last temptation of Kirk and Spock" on Trekmovie.com.
What would they do with the chance to undo their respective parental losses?
Supposedly Bryan Cranston was the preferred casting for the antagonist, a Vulcan with goal of preventing the destruction of Vulcan.
I imagine that character would've run the risk of being too close to Nero. Although as a Vulcan, not motivated by vengeance and just loss.
And if true, wouldn't such a storyline require Eric Bana to reprise that role? Or just show the Narada?
Likewise Hemsworth as George Kirk, if it doesn't stop there at presenting altered versions of scenes from the 2009 film.
Maybe competing in the arms race for the time-travel device doesn't ever reach the point where it is used? Or just enough to prove how even more disastrous it is, and a reversal to save the day.
It was about a race between competing factions to acquire a time-travel device.
I once read Bob Orci describe the plot as "the last temptation of Kirk and Spock" on Trekmovie.com.
What would they do with the chance to undo their respective parental losses?
Supposedly Bryan Cranston was the preferred casting for the antagonist, a Vulcan with goal of preventing the destruction of Vulcan.
I imagine that character would've run the risk of being too close to Nero. Although as a Vulcan, not motivated by vengeance and just loss.
And if true, wouldn't such a storyline require Eric Bana to reprise that role? Or just show the Narada?
Likewise Hemsworth as George Kirk, if it doesn't stop there at presenting altered versions of scenes from the 2009 film.
Maybe competing in the arms race for the time-travel device doesn't ever reach the point where it is used? Or just enough to prove how even more disastrous it is, and a reversal to save the day.
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I would love to read the Star Trek Into Oblivion script if anyone has it. I'm curious if Shatner and Nimoy were Prime Kirk and Spock or aged Kelvinverse Kirk and Spock, since reports and rumours differed.
Neither the final shooting script for Beyond, nor any of the failed prior drafts (Orci's or Ashley Miller's), have appeared yet in the collections of the Writers Guild Library or at the Margaret Herrick Library out here in Los Angeles. I made an inquiry with the WGA Library to see if they could get it, but that was pre-pandemic.
Such a shame that it's only going to get harder and harder for scripts for modern films to be placed into archives out here when they're locked behind a ridiculous amount of security, and all digital. It'll make future cinema researchers' jobs impossible without the hard copy paper trail to sift through.
Such a shame that it's only going to get harder and harder for scripts for modern films to be placed into archives out here when they're locked behind a ridiculous amount of security, and all digital. It'll make future cinema researchers' jobs impossible without the hard copy paper trail to sift through.
Seriously. Spock was fine the first Pine movie but they should have done their own thing after that.
Good or not. I would love to read the script of "Star Trek Into Oblivion". Reading a movie that never was.
https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/the-many-ways-to-bring-back-kirk-prime/
"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."
When we are both on twitter (i myself jumped off the ship a couple of months) Orci told me to DM me my email and he'd send it
It never arrived in my inbox
"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."
When we are both on twitter (i myself jumped off the ship a couple of months) Orci told me to DM me my email and he'd send it
It never arrived in my inbox
That would've contradicted Prime still existing all alonghttps://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/the-many-ways-to-bring-back-kirk-prime/
"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."
When we are both on twitter (i myself jumped off the ship a couple of months) Orci told me to DM me my email and he'd send it
It never arrived in my inbox
It’s a horrible story idea and I’m very happy it was never made.That would've contradicted Prime still existing all along
https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/the-many-ways-to-bring-back-kirk-prime/
"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."
When we are both on twitter (i myself jumped off the ship a couple of months) Orci told me to DM me my email and he'd send it
It never arrived in my inbox
My God that sounds like a horrible movie. Glad they didn't get a greenlight.
https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/the-many-ways-to-bring-back-kirk-prime/
"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."
When we are both on twitter (i myself jumped off the ship a couple of months) Orci told me to DM me my email and he'd send it
It never arrived in my inbox
There are aspects of this story I like. But there are still issues with it.
1) Why are they so determined to reset the timeline? I get that it should be a thought of Kirk and Spock and the rest of the crew, because they know their potential futures were stolen from them. But from a creative aspect and a production aspect, why?
2) It just says Federation, Vulcans and a new species. So the Klingons, Romulans, Orions, Gorn, Tholians, and Harry Mudd aren’t interested in this device for their own purposes?
3) Cranston’s character…IDK if the wording is so that its to keep it a secret for some type of plot twist, but why isn’t his character’s goal to prevent the Romulans from existing outright, instead of simply prevent the destruction of Vulcan? It’s the same goal - to protect Vulcan from Nero and his band of followers. It does not even have to be motivated by a need for revenge. It could be simply that he’s alarmed that Vulcans was destroyed because Spock Prime tried to do a good thing for Romulans and failed. And this after hearing Spock Prime speak of a time when the Federation and Romulans co-existed in peace and were allies in the Dominion War, as well as Spock’s efforts at reunification.
Just by default, there would have to be scenes with Cranston’s character and Spock debating when and why to prevent the destruction of Vulcan. If they are both like, “yeah, let’s stop the Narada”, there’s no conflict. If they are discussing Vulcan-Romulan history and how it led to the rise of Starfleet, and later on the Federation, at the expense of Vulcan and its Neo-colonialism, then there’s something to digest. It gets even more interesting if Spock is carrying Spock Prime’s katra and shares it with Cranston’s character, and Spock speculates if the timeline Spock Prime is from any better than the Kelvin timeline.
4) Am I the only one who sees this could have been an interesting trilogy in its own right?
The first movie being this, the race for the time travel device.
The second movie being a broken multiverse thing caused by the time travel device. Where they could have used the idea of Khan and the Klingons marching on Starfleet Command. And borrowed some ideas from the comics and other sources and use Kirk as The Orphan, Spock as part of the Sasaud, Jaylah as an assimilated Borg drone, maybe a female Chekov from a genderbent universe, as well as the mirror Kelvinverse (my mind envisions Sulu). While the rest of the Ent-A crew - in my head Scotty, Uhura, Bones, and Carol Marcus - try to put it all back together, though they don't quite reset everything (this allows for female Chekov to stay in their universe). They could have even included aspects of the proposed ST4 pandemic story on some level.
Then the third movie deals with either George Kirk and the Kelvin, or even the Kelvinverse version of the Secret of Vulcan Fury, if Cranston's character and Spock discuss Vulcan Fury. I'm sure that the script for Secret of Vulcan Fury is out there somewhere, since the general plot of that story is out there.
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I've never heard anything about Orci's script resetting to the Prime timeline, that also kills any future movie releases, so it's a non-starter. Someone may have been confused about having Shatner and Nimoy star as older versions of Pine and Quinto, and presumably need to fix the Kelvinverse timeline from villainous shennanigains.
If the idea was to bring Shatner and Nimoy (although Nimoy was likely too ill for a third), and Shatner insisted on a “meaningful” appearance, the best option would have been a “cold open” of The Deadly Years, only this time Kirk is the last, rather than first, to get the cure. Old Kirk pulls the Corbomite ruse, after a some tense moments on the bridge (so a 10-15 minute pre-Trek logo scene). Enemy is not Romulan (to avoid too close a copy of the episode). Could have worked with Nimoy if still healthy enough but works for Shatner alone as well. Shatner gets a hero moment, it happens right away (gets it over with), it’s not a mere cameo, and post-Trek logo, Pine is back and Bob’s your uncle. Pretty sure I made a similar observation years ago. Still the only realistic way Shatner could be involved. As big a fan of Shatner as I am, I’m totally fine this (or anything else like it) never happened, nor have I ever had any expectation otherwise. But IF it had been deemed necessary, I can’t think of a better way (and certainly the above “reboot the universe story” would not have been one).
Wasn't entirely sure where to put this, but it seems the rumours flying around Trekmovie.com years ago about him being an alcoholic were true, and his vanishing from movie and TV makes sense. And sadly, it gets a lot worse. His wife has filed a lawsuit with some very unpleasant allegations.
variety.com
‘Star Trek,’ ‘Transformers’ Writer Roberto Orci Accused of Beating and Sexually Assaulting His Wife
Roberto Orci, a writer on the 'Transformers' and 'Star Trek' franchises, was accused in a suit of repeatedly beating and sexually assaulting his wife.
variety.com
Wasn't entirely sure where to put this, but it seems the rumours flying around Trekmovie.com years ago about him being an alcoholic were true, and his vanishing from movie and TV makes sense. And sadly, it gets a lot worse. His wife has filed a lawsuit with some very unpleasant allegations.
‘Star Trek,’ ‘Transformers’ Writer Roberto Orci Accused of Beating and Sexually Assaulting His Wife
Roberto Orci, a writer on the 'Transformers' and 'Star Trek' franchises, was accused in a suit of repeatedly beating and sexually assaulting his wife.
It seems to me after his version of Star Trek Beyond was shelved everything just stopped for Orci. He was still listed as a 'producer' but from what I've read that's basically in name only. I think it was noted he spoke to the director once and that was it.
I wonder how much impact did his story being shelved and him being removed (or dropping out) as director affected him.
You know, I've been fired from jobs in the past and I've never once beat my spouse. So, if this is supposed to minimize Orci's actions, it fails utterly.
It's very rarely one single event or incident which suddenly causes everything else to go off the rails. Life doesn't work like that, and neither does alcohol. I stongly suspect his script for a third movie being declined was just one symptom of a problem which had been affecting his work and personal life for some time. If anything, it's not unlikely that he was already susceptible at the time his ideas for Into Darkness had to take a back seat to what Lindeloff and the studio execs wanted to do with that movie.
Don't mistaken my curiosity about his 'fall from grace' being any excuse for his alleged actions. If he is guilty of what he is being accused of then he deserves whatever punishment he gets and I don't feel a bit bad for him.
I just wonder did things go off the rails in his career after his story was shelved for Beyond, or as M'Sharak noted were those events already in motion.
My question about how it affected him was in reference to his career professionally. I haven't heard much about him since Beyond came out and he was basically from what I can tell just a producer in name only there.
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