Is there an official class for the Kelvin yet?

[Mr Silver]

Norhing official Timo !

Just my personal preference for the ship, sure its small, but on more than one occasion the Enterprisehas been referred to as a Heavy Cruiser, since the Kelvin in XI is roughly about the size of the Connie Refit, I just go with the flow on it

I'm not gonna start a size debate, the NuEnt is considerably bigger than the classic Connie Enterprise, so in relative terms, the Kelvin stands in for the classic Ent on the size front

 

[F. King Daniel]

Norhing official Timo !

Just my personal preference for the ship, sure its small, but on more than one occasion the Enterprisehas been referred to as a Heavy Cruiser, since the Kelvin in XI is roughly about the size of the Connie Refit, I just go with the flow on it

I'm not gonna start a size debate, the NuEnt is considerably bigger than the classic Connie Enterprise, so in relative terms, the Kelvin stands in for the classic Ent on the size front

The Kelvin's quite a bit bigger than the old Enterprise. Here is a size comparison of the 2009, TMP and NX-01 Enterprises along with the USS Kelvin.

 

[danellis]

Enterprise, presumably, is a Sumo-Cruiser!

...(And what does that make the other ships from the movie, the ones with more or bigger engines or secondary hulls? Heavier cruisers? No matter what size the Kelvin, as long as her components aren't markedly bigger than the similar-looking ones on the other ships, she's the smallest of the lot.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ProwlAlpha]

In regards to crew complement determines ship size, it doesn't. In fact the size of the crew has no meaning on the size of the ship.

 

[Commodore_Rook]

Ok, so basically, there is no class name for the Kelvin yet, nor is there an official class for it. I am still leaning towards "Deep Space Scout" or "Heavy Scout". Diffenetly not a Heavy Cruiser. Of course with the armiment she had, she could almost be considered a "Heavy Destroyer". I still can't believe it had 20+ Shuttlecraft with 800+ crew.

 

[6079SmithW]

No official class yet but going by looks it is obviously based on the single nacelled Hermes/Saladin class of the Franz Joseph tech manuel with a secondary hull added. Both classes are the same size and the only difference is amount of weaponry.

Hermes is a Scout with no torps and Saladin is a Destroyer with torps and more phasers. So just by looks and weaponry I'd call the Kelvin either a Heavy Scout or Heavy Destroyer based on wether or not we assume it had torps we didn't see. So it could be a modified version of one of these classes or a new class entirely.

Of course it is much bigger and has a lot more crew then those classes so that kinda changes everything.

As for the shuttle compliment and crew if we assume it had 20 plus shuttles and 20 of them were 40 seaters (20*40=800) similar to the academy shuttles seen (which by the looks of the seating arrangements could easily hold 40) then that solves that problem. We can also say the shuttles double as lifeboats. Have a handful of medical and exploratory types and there you go.

 

[UFO]

I know. I know. Pick me. Pick me!

The Kelvin class.

Not official enough huh?

 

[kkozoriz1]

Slusho Class

 

[C.E. Evans]

Abrams-class cruiser

Why not?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Well, the Kelvin was named for JJ's uncle, and it's number for his birthday...

 

[Dukhat]

Well, the Kelvin was named for JJ's uncle, and it's number for his birthday...

I think I was the one who brought up the link between the Kelvin's registry number and JJ's grandfather's birthday (I believe it was back when The Wormhole was starting his silly rant about the "zeroes"). But I want to make it clear that that was just a guess on my part; I had no evidence to back that up. Unless someone else knows for a fact that grandpa Kelvin's birthday was in fact in May of 1914, that's only speculation.

 

[shapeshifter]

Um, I think the answer to the OP is "no."

Whatever happened to that hugh ship we thought was named "Mayflower"? Was it renamed the Kelvin or was it one of the destroyed ships sent to Vulcan?

Anyway, it gave me a presumption going in we were going to see a colony ship.

The Kelvin was hugh, had a dozen shuttles, 800 crew/personal and a pregnant woman on board. Doesn't all these clues suggest a colony ship class was, at least, considered at some point?

 

[Dukhat]

Whatever happened to that hugh ship we thought was named "Mayflower"? Was it renamed the Kelvin or was it one of the destroyed ships sent to Vulcan?

The three different types of ships seen docked at the station, and later destroyed at Vulcan (seven total), were labeled "Mayflower," "Newton," and "Armstrong." As in ST: FC, all the ships with the same designs were labelled with the same name and registry numbers (i.e, there were three Mayflowers, three Newtons, and one Armstrong). This obviously contrasts with the script, which gives the vessel names as Hood, Farragut, Truman, Antares, Wolcott, Newton, and an unnamed vessel. I suppose if you're really picky, then you could add the Mayflower to this list (since the Newton is definitely there), but then that leaves out the Armstrong.

And the Mayflower wasn't huge; it was the same size as all the other ships docked at the station. It might have been scaled up a bit for the near-miss scene, though.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^The Mayflower saucer was doubled in size (or the Enterprise halved) for the near-miss scene. There's a great shot of it and the Enterprise in the "Art of the Movie" book, from a slightly different angle than is seen in the movie itself.

Also of note, the Enterprise is halved in size for the Iowa shipyard scene (the people working on the hull wouldn't fit in the exposed decks...it was the wallpaper on my phone for ages. I looked at it a lot)

I don't think two instances of artisitic license have ever caused so much upset amongst die-hard Trek tech nuts.

 

[Timo]

Since there's an excess of starships in the movie (only 7+1 depart, and all are canonically accounted for by name without invoking the Mayflower), we might decide the Mayflower was waiting in the Vulcan system or arrived separately from the cadet fleet, and was of a design that indeed was twice as big as the ships we saw intact. A direct predecessor of the huge Enterprise, perhaps - same size, older engines, gunmetal finish?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why the need to quanify it? Artistic license -it seemed utterly enourmous as they realized they were on a collision course- makes a lot more sense to me. Not everything is meant to be taken 100% literally.

Besides, the Mayflower saucer was twice the size of the Enterprise's, not the same size.

 

[Dukhat]

Since there's an excess of starships in the movie (only 7+1 depart, and all are canonically accounted for by name...

No they're not. As I said in my previous post, there were seven ships besides the Enterprise, and seven only. We see this, and Ayel specifically states this. The movie only gives six names, Hood, Antares, Truman, Farragut, Wolcott, and Newton (Regula One is namedropped, but obviously that's not a ship). At least, those were the names I clearly heard when watching the film. If there was another name mentioned, I didn't hear it, so we have one ship unaccounted for, but two names on the ships themselves, Mayflower and Armstrong.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ When did they mention Regula One?

 

[Timo]

In the Academy hangar scene, there's lots of dialogue/walla on the assignments of the cadets. In addition to the distinctly heard names, there's something sounding like "Neutral", something sounding like "Odyssey" and certainly something sounding like "Regula One" (which may be a starship in this timeline, possibly named after the station or the planet, since nothing else would really make sense).

The Regula One bit is heard as the very first name in the first list of names, before Kirk says "He didn't call my name". The possible Odyssey and Neutral are in the list that assigns Uhura to the Farragut.

The script supposedly features the name Odyssey, but doesn't mention Mayflower or Armstrong.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

In the Academy hangar scene, there's lots of dialogue/walla on the assignments of the cadets. In addition to the distinctly heard names, there's something sounding like "Neutral", something sounding like "Odyssey" and certainly something sounding like "Regula One" (which may be a starship in this timeline, possibly named after the station or the planet, since nothing else would really make sense).

The Regula One bit is heard as the very first name in the first list of names, before Kirk says "He didn't call my name". The possible Odyssey and Neutral are in the list that assigns Uhura to the Farragut.

The script supposedly features the name Odyssey, but doesn't mention Mayflower or Armstrong.

Timo Saloniemi

Timo,

I'm almost positive that the "Neutral" that you heard was "Newton." I remember someone else saying they thought they heard "Odyssey" as well, so I'll watch the scene again tonight to see if I can hear it. If that's the case, then we have names for all seven ships.

And why couldn't "Regula One" be the same station from STII? We never knew how old the station was by the time Carol Marcus was using it as a base.