Is the Picard show the "last chance saloon" for anyone else?

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by Infern0, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. Infern0

    Infern0 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I watched RLM short treks review and i have to agree with a lot of their thoughts on the current condition of Trek

    While i understand there is a large market for Discovery and even the JJ verse movies, and I am glad so many people find enjoyment from them, both just dont give what I want from Trek. point being what I DON'T want from trek is action, action, action.

    Now that's not to say I don't like action as i certainly do, but Trek was always more of a cerebral IP to me.

    With this Picard show I am curious to see what they bring, but if it does end up being similar to DSC, then I will hve to join RLM in parting ways with TREK in it's modern iteration, because it's just not for me anymore.
     
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  2. StarCruiser

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    What?! You want intelligent stories and actual exploration of ourselves through the eyes of others and all of that rot?

    Yep - Picard is the last chance saloon - as far as I'm concerned.
     
  3. plynch

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    Agree.

    I feel like giving DSC a second chance, but I kept doing that with the new movies. Fool me twice... And I couldn't care less about the Spock family drama. My loss.
     
  4. Tenacity

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    Hope springs eternal.

    Each new edition of Trek will be given a try, but maybe not more than a short try. New movies won't be ignored, but I will listen to others prior to buying tickets, Picard will be watched for a few episodes, as will season two of STD, but not more than that.
     
  5. Infern0

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    I'll watch discovery s2 at some point, I didn't find season one to be offensively bad but it was just a very "meh" show for me.

    Back in the day a new episode of Trek was one of the weeks highlights for me, DSC is certainly not that.

    The JJ Trek movies are the same for me, worth a watch on Netflix but not worth a ticket in the theatre.

    I just hope the Picard show can be a must watch show
     
  6. WarpFactorZ

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    Nope. I'm totally excited for the Picard series, and even more so now because of the revelation that it will be related to the ST'09 destruction of Romulus. To me, that's a great way to tie in canon from every series / incarnation to date.

    I religiously awaited each new episode of TNG with excitement in its first run. I'm equally excited to catch the new Discovery eps. I'm sure Picard will follow suit.
     
  7. VOODOOXI

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    I have no interest in Discovery and to expand on that I would have little to no interest in future Star Trek tv programs or feature films unless they featured the characters of TOS or TNG.

    It’s the characters that people care about. You can’t just throw the name Star Trek on a program and assume people are going to care.
     
  8. Tosk

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    I will always give each new Trek show a fair go. I won't always like them, but I always want to.
     
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  9. Tuskin38

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    The Picard show literally has Picard in it.
     
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  10. WarpFactorZ

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    Absolutely. You can't complain about the lack of character-driven stories, and then ignore the fact that the entire series is basically devoted to ONE particular character.
     
  11. The Overlord

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    But who gets define what is ''real'' Star Trek and what isn't? If you didn't like the first season of Discovery, that's fine, but you are going to tell me the first season of TNG was great? Remember Angel One, Code of Honor and Justice, were those classic gems of Star Trek? Star Trek shows often have to spend a season or two finding their way. I liked Discovery despite some flaws and think it has room to grow.

    I also do not like the type of nerd nostalgia complaints of the Klingons look different (the Klingons looked different from TOS to TNG, remember that) or why doesn't Discovery look like a sound stage from the 60s because it is set before TOS (the reason for that is that would only appeal to hardcore Trekkies and no one else).

    I also bet a lot of people back in the 80s were complaining that TNG was not real Star Trek, you can't please everyone.
     
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  12. Smellmet

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    I can't see the Picard show being action orientated for a second. The guy is clearly too old for all that nonsense.

    As for Star Trek being in 'the last chance saloon' - absolutely not. I don't think it ever will be for me either. Whilst I didn't agree with some of the creative choices made in Discovery, I still enjoyed it a damn sight more than the first season of TNG, some of Voyager, TOS and Enterprise and I look forward to what looks like an improved second season.

    It'll take something utterly ridiculous for me to turn my back on Star Trek.
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'm not about to turn my back, but my enthusiasm is waning somewhat. I'm curious what The Picard Show will do, what DiscoSpock is like, and I'm hoping Starfleet Academy beings back that ST'09 energy. But it's all "it looks like fun, I'll give it a try" rather than "must absorb everything about this"
     
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  14. Smellmet

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    I'm desperate to absorb as much as possible. I can't say I was like that at the back end of the Berman era.
     
  15. Nyotarules

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    For me the answer is no. I prefer the novelverse to the TV shows,
     
  16. Damian

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    CBS :nyah:

    All kidding aside, though, that's probably a personal decision. I might decide a show is not "Star Trek" enough for me and not watch it. But the difference is I can't tell you it's not "Star Trek" enough for others. It may not be for me, others may love it.

    Up to Discovery that was never an issue for me. I found enough of that essence in each show and movie that I got that. For Discovery, I'm still watching season 1 for the first time so for me the jury's still out at this point.

    The Abramsverse movies did push it a bit for me. Sometimes they seemed to be pushing action, action action like Infern0 has observed. I too am ok with action, but not at the expense of substance. Now I found enough there to still like it and feel it was Star Trek at it's core.

    But again, that's just a personal opinion. I can't make that decision for others. I find Star Trek fans come in all styles. Some it's original series-movies or bust. Some is original series-Abrams movies-Discovery, or maybe some other combination. I believe there's a small contingent of DS9 only fans (usually people that liked Babylon 5 also). It doesn't make the rest irrelevant for other people. I sometimes feel like a rare breed because up to now I've loved it all, including being one of the 10 people that .....well you know ;).​
     
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  17. Nerys Myk

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    Nope.
     
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  18. Tenacity

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    I somehow doubt that Picard is going to be the only regular character.
     
  19. Steve Roby

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    After Voyager and Enterprise, JJTrek and Discovery were the Last Chance Saloon. And they delivered.

    I can watch the occasional Voyager episode and enjoy it more than I did at the time, but that's just the nostalgic warmth and comfort of that old 1990s Star Trek feel. But it isn't the 1990s any more, and I like having Star Trek from a world where the new Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones exist instead of one that pretends Encounter at Farpoint is what modern TV should look like.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Having survived VOY and ENT and come around again to Star Trek I can safely say there is no "last saloon" for me for Trek. Star Trek is about exploration so I am willing to explore what they put out there at least once.

    Sorry, when people complain about "too much action" in Trek I roll my eyes. Star Trek was pitched as a Western style action/adventure series with social commentary. As others have noted Star Trek can be a variety platform, involving comedy, drama, period pieces, overt commentary and subtext. It offers an expansive universe in which to do many types of stories and I'd be hard pressed to say "Ok, but this is the last one."