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Its not over hyped, but most of the criticisms demand shouting down. Like the ship was built on Earth, the grand canyon in Ohio, Robo cops, 'it didn't make me think...'
It wasn't the worlds greatest film. It probably won't win any awards, but I've not read a single criticism that cannot be found elsewhere in the precious trek that this film has somehow damaged. Apart from the lens flare, which I didn't mind too much.
Longtime fans who were hoping for some meat, for the film to be about something and not just a popcornfest, are disappointed. As long as you check your brain at the theater door, you're good to go.
This is Trek filtered through a Star Wars prism. If you haven't seen it, check this video out:
Longtime fans who were hoping for some meat, for the film to be about something and not just a popcornfest, are disappointed. As long as you check your brain at the theater door, you're good to go.
I'm getting awfully tired of reading thoughtless bullshit like this. Other than the troll threads like this (which, why the hell aren't the mods locking these?!), plenty of the threads on this forum are people thinking about the movie and the implications of what happened on screen -- the destruction of Vulcan, the differences in the relationships between the characters, the development of characters we hadn't had any for... I only registered a week ago and I've already had some great discussions about Uhura as a strong female character, the consequences of the destruction and diaspora of Vulcan, and the meaning of the Kobayashi Maru test (or lack thereof) and the ethical implications of Kirk "cheating" on it.
If you wanted some ultra-complicated, jargon-laden plot based on theoretical physics and high mathematics... why the fuck are you asking a Star Trek story for it? Half the time the "scientific" solution to a problem is reversing the polarity. If you wanted nuanced and sophisticated character drama, then you should stop letting yourself get distracted by the explosions and watch the damn film to see themes of loss, family, arrogance/confidence, ambition, and a dozen other things.
Longtime fans who were hoping for some meat, for the film to be about something and not just a popcornfest, are disappointed. As long as you check your brain at the theater door, you're good to go.
I'm getting awfully tired of reading thoughtless bullshit like this. Other than the troll threads like this (which, why the hell aren't the mods locking these?!), plenty of the threads on this forum are people thinking about the movie and the implications of what happened on screen -- the destruction of Vulcan, the differences in the relationships between the characters, the development of characters we hadn't had any for... I only registered a week ago and I've already had some great discussions about Uhura as a strong female character, the consequences of the destruction and diaspora of Vulcan, and the meaning of the Kobayashi Maru test (or lack thereof) and the ethical implications of Kirk "cheating" on it.
If you wanted some ultra-complicated, jargon-laden plot based on theoretical physics and high mathematics... why the fuck are you as
king a Star Trek story for it? Half the time the "scientific" solution to a problem is reversing the polarity. If you wanted nuanced and sophisticated character drama, then you should stop letting yourself get distracted by the explosions and watch the damn film to see themes of loss, family, arrogance/confidence, ambition, and a dozen other things.
I may be playing the devil's advocate here. But I got the feeling that a lot of Trek fans, including me, at some point, are overhyping the movie in desperation.
A lot of us, thought or at least worried, that Star Trek as a TV/Movie franchise was now death for a couple of years. Enterprise didn't have the same commercial success than preceding series, while the recent movies didn't either. Star Trek have been around almost every year since 1987, its incredible in television history. It felt realistic to expect tptb (executives) to put Star Trek to rest for a couple of years. Maybe even something like 10, 15 or 20 years.
Now here come the big surprise. They announce a new Star Trek movie, headed by a director on the rise (JJ Abrams). Already at that point its beyond our wildest dreams. Its not about the quality of the product anymore, its about the survival of our beloved franchise. We don't mind if Star Trek have become only a brainless action blockbuster movie anymore. Average Trek is better than no Trek. Sure the movie have many faults, but we dont care. Star Trek is alive and its a commercial success!
Is it the right signal to send? Thats is Average Trek is better than no Trek.
I must admit that somehow I feel the same way. The franchise needed a commercial success at that point. But I got another signal to send. Now that the introduction of the rebooted characters is over. I wish the next Trek movie will have a stronger storyline.
The problem is there's a segment of the Trek fanbase who resent this film and it's success because they revell in the fact Trek is viewed by the public as nerdy and uncool. When someone comes along and makes it cool, they resent it, even when they make a perfectly fine Trek movie, by all other measuers.
These Trek elitists will never like this movie (or at least never admit that they like it) because they don't like strangers invading their territories.
Longtime fans who were hoping for some meat, for the film to be about something and not just a popcornfest, are disappointed. As long as you check your brain at the theater door, you're good to go.
I'm getting awfully tired of reading thoughtless bullshit like this. Other than the troll threads like this (which, why the hell aren't the mods locking these?!), plenty of the threads on this forum are people thinking about the movie and the implications of what happened on screen -- the destruction of Vulcan, the differences in the relationships between the characters, the development of characters we hadn't had any for... I only registered a week ago and I've already had some great discussions about Uhura as a strong female character, the consequences of the destruction and diaspora of Vulcan, and the meaning of the Kobayashi Maru test (or lack thereof) and the ethical implications of Kirk "cheating" on it.
If you wanted some ultra-complicated, jargon-laden plot based on theoretical physics and high mathematics... why the fuck are you asking a Star Trek story for it? Half the time the "scientific" solution to a problem is reversing the polarity. If you wanted nuanced and sophisticated character drama, then you should stop letting yourself get distracted by the explosions and watch the damn film to see themes of loss, family, arrogance/confidence, ambition, and a dozen other things.
I don't consider this a troll thread, the OP asked a legitimate question. I can understand why fans of this movie might view any posts against this movie as trolling but that is not the case for the majority of the posts by the "naysayers".
...plenty of the threads on this forum are people thinking about the movie and the implications of what happened on screen -- the destruction of Vulcan...
Shock value, done to move this Trek universe away from the Prime universe, attempt at character development for Spock which was abandoned in the last 20 minutes. One of the few good things about this movie.
...the differences in the relationships between the characters...
Many characters were poorly developed in TOS, this is true, so the minor development of the "small four" in this movie has been exaggerated by this fact.
Hardly surprising, strong female characters have been around in television and film for some time now. It's not something I especially notice, just like I don't notice strong male characters.
...the consequences of the destruction and diaspora of Vulcan...
If you wanted some ultra-complicated, jargon-laden plot based on theoretical physics and high mathematics... why the fuck are you asking a Star Trek story for it? Half the time the "scientific" solution to a problem is reversing the polarity.
I did, but unfortunately the explosions and various other CGI wizardry kept getting in the way of the story. Things kept on happening because the movie was trying to distract the audience from its deficiencies in its ability to tell a good story, this was my thought process while watching the film:
"...Oh, Vulcan has been destroyed. Hang on where did Nero's ship get to? Oh, now Kirk and Spock are arguing. Where did the black hole go anyway? Oh, now Kirk is fighting some security guys, that's a rather stupid thing to do. Oh, no time to think, because now he's in a pod on an ice planet. Hang on, what ice planet? Oh wait, Kirk is now getting out of the pod. Hang on, why did Spock shoot him out in a pod? Don't they have a brig? Oh can't think about that, there's a monster. I bet Kirk wishes he was back in that pod now. Hang on, why did he get out of the pod into a frozen wasteland? Oh too late, now there is an even bigger monster! I mean, he could have stayed in that pod and listened to some music or something while waiting for the transport that was to collect him. Oh look now, it's old Spock. Say, what were those monsters about? Oh, no time to think about that..."
...to see themes of loss, family, arrogance/confidence, ambition, and a dozen other things.
These were not themes, they were ideas which were never developed into themes. A theme isn't something which only shows up in one scene, a theme is something which is developed throughout the movie and which reaches a conclusion somewhere near the end. This movie had no themes, it had some good ideas which ultimately did not mean anything once the movie was over. At least that is my view, your mileage may vary.
I agree with dru, this movie was little more than a popcorn fest and I am very disappointed by that because I went into the theatre expecting something more. I was all set to love this movie, but it was not to be.
The problem is there's a segment of the Trek fanbase who resent this film and it's success because they revell in the fact Trek is viewed by the public as nerdy and uncool. When someone comes along and makes it cool, they resent it, even when they make a perfectly fine Trek movie, by all other measuers.
These Trek elitists will never like this movie (or at least never admit that they like it) because they don't like strangers invading their territories.
If anyone is desperate, it's those who hated the very idea of this movie, intended to hate every piece of news that came out, went to see the movie with the intent to hate every minute of it, and keep on bitching and moaning, grasping at straws to the point where they attack positive reviews of the movie.
My brother is one of those people. He has teased me since we were kids. Now I enjoy mildly teasing him for liking Star Trek 2009! We have had a lot of fun over it lately!
It's not about agreement or disagreement, it's about people who open threads with inflammatory opinions backed by little to no evidence or argument solely to get people riled up. That's what's called trolling in most places. Oh, and most of the original posters subsequently abandon the threads.
It's not about agreement or disagreement, it's about people who open threads with inflammatory opinions backed by little to no evidence or argument solely to get people riled up. That's what's called trolling in most places. Oh, and most of the original posters subsequently abandon the threads.
), plenty of the threads on this forum are people thinking about the movie and the implications of what happened on screen -- the destruction of Vulcan, the differences in the relationships between the characters, the development of characters we hadn't had any for... I only registered a week ago and I've already had some great discussions about Uhura as a strong female character, the consequences of the destruction and diaspora of Vulcan, and the meaning of the Kobayashi Maru test (or lack thereof) and the ethical implications of Kirk "cheating" on it.
That's the sort of deep stuff you wont find in every movie ever made.
