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Poll Is Q Right About Troi?

Is Troi Rude?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 31.7%
  • No

    Votes: 16 39.0%
  • Not as Simple As Yes or No

    Votes: 12 29.3%

  • Total voters
    41
As for Betazeds...the idea of an influx of Betazeds into Starfleet. Starfleet would have to rely on each one of them to police themselves and restrain themselves from accessing sensitive info for example. Starfleet would have to ensure they were all of good character. Any dodgy Betazed that slipped through the net would cause mayhem.

Betazeds really do challenge notions of privacy in the 24th century. It's difficult to see how anyone anyway committed to their own privacy could behave socially functionally around Betazeds.

The assumption being that the rest of the Federation share the same privacy practises as humankind? There are probably diverse issues of privacy in the Federation. I can see that Starfleet being an Earth based organisation of human origin does mainly have its practices set up to suit humanity with some flexibility for other species. But everyday living on other planets, more likely range from being as open as a Deltan to being as closemouthed as a Vulcan, with the Betazoids being somewhere in between.
If a being found it difficult to be around Betazoids then don't join Starfleet, don't get a job at Federation HQ and don't visit Betazed or any other telepathic planet.
 
Well, Betazeds are a bit like Changelings. Good ideas, fruitful for stories but not that well thought through. Odo becoming a mouse, a rock or even a cloud and this would fool sensors? It's virtually an omnipotent power!

As for Betazeds...the idea of an influx of Betazeds into Starfleet. Starfleet would have to rely on each one of them to police themselves and restrain themselves from accessing sensitive info for example. Starfleet would have to ensure they were all of good character. Any dodgy Betazed that slipped through the net would cause mayhem.

Betazeds really do challenge notions of privacy in the 24th century. It's difficult to see how anyone anyway committed to their own privacy could behave socially functionally around Betazeds. There's a bit of utopian thing behind the concept, that we are supposed to be so unconcerned with privacy that everybody is cool around them. They aren't all nice either - like any population they have criminal types. Lon Suder in Voyager and Admiral Satie's attack-dog in The Drumhead who was a very authoritarian figure and quite happy in stitching everyone up in a frenzy of Cosmic McCarthyism. Apparently he was a long term aide to Satie.

As for Troi I like the character well enough. But she just seemed to be at a loose end most of the time. An obviously dodgy lookin' alien with a shifty expression would appear on-screen, then Picard would turn to her and she'd say: "he's hiding something". Yeah? In other news, space is dark, Counce.

On the occasions Troi was tested though Sirtis played it well. The Loss has an excellent performance from her. I like the episodes were she gets snippy with the patients, haha.

O'Brien in The Wounded always reminds me alot of Kirk in TUC. As in someone going fom a passionste distaste to some sort of position of redemption.

Betazeds probably aren't the first telepathic race in Starfleet though. There's also Vulcans. And even human's can become telepathic, like in "Is There in Truth No Beauty."
 
Betazeds probably aren't the first telepathic race in Starfleet though. There's also Vulcans. And even human's can become telepathic, like in "Is There in Truth No Beauty."
And are probably treated like 'The Other' by enlightened humans...
 
The assumption being that the rest of the Federation share the same privacy practises as humankind? There are probably diverse issues of privacy in the Federation. I can see that Starfleet being an Earth based organisation of human origin does mainly have its practices set up to suit humanity with some flexibility for other species. But everyday living on other planets, more likely range from being as open as a Deltan to being as closemouthed as a Vulcan, with the Betazoids being somewhere in between.
If a being found it difficult to be around Betazoids then don't join Starfleet, don't get a job at Federation HQ and don't visit Betazed or any other telepathic planet.
Well, it's just a guesstimate of course. But I'd imagine that almost every non-telepathic species would be fundamentally wedded to the idea that their inner-mental states are inaccessible to others. A Betazed would be very disorientating in that one's secrets are dependent on the ability of each and every betazed one encounters being able to police themselves. Not not necessarily a given, given how diverse any people are. And both Troi's are seen to be quite gossipy!
 
Betazeds probably aren't the first telepathic race in Starfleet though. There's also Vulcans. And even human's can become telepathic, like in "Is There in Truth No Beauty."
Vulcans have to mount a concerted effort to probe the minds of others. Lwaxana for example just strolls by and she's picking up thoughts with ease and noone is any the wiser unless she admits she's doing it herself. It's certainly an advantage in diplomacy as we see in that 2nd season episode. Barely within a split second of seeing them she's unmasked a squid squad of assassins masquerading as diplomats.

But sure, my post goes for Betazeds and whatever other 'hard telepathic' species there might be.
 
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Just as humans pick up voices with ease if they enter a room of people talking. There was a species (STTNG episode about Deanna's sister) where they did not talk but projected images, they had to practice using their vocal cords. What if they expected other nontelepaths to stop using their voices cos it made them uncomfortable? No one would expect that.
 
If you suddenly came upon a pile of fresh dog doo, wouldn't you find it hard not to wince? If you stepped on a Lego in bare feet, wouldn't you react? You might be able to hold in a yell, but you'll still feel the pain. Everybody can't control themselves perfectly all the time.
On the other hand, what about when someone at work walks up to talk to you and they have dog poo breath, do you wince?
Or do you demonstrate the decorum to not do so?
 
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