Is prejudice like this widespread?

[Robert Maxwell]

At this point what we're seeing is a pretty typical conservative argument that people who get offended are the real problem... even though ichab's football thread was a pretty clear case of somebody getting offended by something that didn't hurt or affect him at all.

Conservative logic: people getting offended by those who want to oppress or kill them--bad; people getting offended by political expressions that are, at most, mild annoyances--good.

 

[ichab]

Anyways moving on to the actual topic...

Story I got on my FB feed.

A man was sick on a Delta Airlines flight, and there was a doctor on board but she was a woman, and black so the flight attendant blocked her from offering assistance to the man.

http://www.someecards.com/life/workplace/tamika-cross-doctor-plane/

I'd like to think this kind of thing does not happen much today, and would surely hope it's on the decline. So disappointing.

If that's the whole story then it's really sad. Doctors come in all shapes and sizes here in the states.

 

[Nyotarules]

It's especially ironic when it involves Commonwealth nations. They were all part of the British Empire, which touched every corner of the world and nearly every ethnicity. And in both WW1 and WW2, they all fought alongside one another in the armed forces.

But something like that still didn't erode the idea of white superiority and build camaraderie, even though it should've.

Hard to replace white supremacy when the empire was owned and run by white people and most of the top positions were by white British folks. Racism is alive and well in Britain just slightly different, more subtle than the USA but the Brexit issue has opened the closet. London also gives a false image of multiculturalism since its a minority city; only 40% of the populace are indigenous White Britons, the rest are immigrants or British born of immigrant parentage.
I laugh at the irony of a White Australian complaining about immigration, typical British Empire tactic steal land, suppress the locals, then pretend you and yours lived there all along since 1066.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

If that's the whole story then it's really sad. Doctors come in all shapes and sizes here in the states.

Interesting. Here in Europe, they also come in different colors.

As for your comments, @ichab , you should consider this: Political Correctness, the way I feel it should be, and the way it has been practiced by @He Who Must Not Be Named and
@Robert Maxwell in their debate with you, is not that it is a Thought Police. In fact, they asked you to actually think about what you are saying, what it means, not just to you, but to others, and why it means what it means. It means you can totally say anything, but you can't hide behind not knowing or (in your case) not caring that what you say is offensive.
And now you're trying to change the subject, because you don't want to think about what you're saying. You don't want to think about other people's problems that you yourself do not face. And if people try to remind you that other people face dire situations, you pretend like they are really mean to you. You're choosing ignorance.

Going back to the "Blacks like Fried Chicken and Watermelon" thing, I do notice that in American media. And it just goes to show how ridiculous and yet dangerous racism is, that something like being fond of tasty food can be turned into a negative stereotype.

 

[Nyotarules]

Racism in the West is based on the subconscious notion that Caucasians are the default humans and everyone else is 'The Other'. The darker you are the more of 'The Other' you become.

 

[Nyotarules]

Going back to the "Blacks like Fried Chicken and Watermelon" thing, I do notice that in American media. And it just goes to show how ridiculous and yet dangerous racism is, that something like being fond of tasty food can be turned into a negative stereotype.

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[Nyotarules]

Prejudice is telling black folks to stop going on and on about slavery since its in the past while observing Thanksgiving and Independence Day every single year and attending a 'Daughters of the American Revolution' meeting. You cannot make this shit up!

 

[scotpens]

. . . The first half of the 20th century was filled with propaganda. Even Dr. Seuss took part of it. The original intentions of Looney Toons, Merrie Melodies, Silly Symphonies, and Happy Harmonies was meant for military training videos.

Uh, no. Those cartoons were shown in movie theaters and meant for general family audiences. Maybe you're thinking of the "Private SNAFU" cartoons made by Warner Bros. during the war, which were intended as basic training films for soldiers and which weren't available to the general public until relatively recently.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Prejudice is telling black folks to stop going on and on about slavery since its in the past while observing Thanksgiving and Independence Day every single year and attending a 'Daughters of the American Revolution' meeting. You cannot make this shit up!

It's always interesting to me how eager white people are to "move on" from the past without having to seriously acknowledge or reckon with it.

 

[ichab]

Interesting. Here in Europe, they also come in different colors.

As for your comments, @ichab , you should consider this: Political Correctness, the way I feel it should be, and the way it has been practiced by @He Who Must Not Be Named and
@Robert Maxwell in their debate with you, is not that it is a Thought Police. In fact, they asked you to actually think about what you are saying, what it means, not just to you, but to others, and why it means what it means. It means you can totally say anything, but you can't hide behind not knowing or (in your case) not caring that what you say is offensive.

Wait a minute, let's go back to where this whole nonsense started..

I posted a reply to another poster about his not knowing about the watermellon and fried chicken connection. I posted that growing up I didn't know about it until watching a documentary on it. YOU yourself post afterwards " Yes blacks eat fried chicken and watermellon. Guess who else does? EVERYBODY!!" Which is not really much different from my post. Mr. Moderator who should spend more time moderating instead of attacking posters decides to attack me by saying I'm trying to "force my views" on others. Which is a load of crap.

And now you're trying to change the subject, because you don't want to think about what you're saying. You don't want to think about other people's problems that you yourself do not face. And if people try to remind you that other people face dire situations,....

No, Im simply thru with his constant thread derailments. I have better things to do than to argue with someone who has no concept of civilized discussion.

I've lived long enough on this earth to know that everybodies circumstances are different and that not everybody has the same advantages. It's quite patronizing for them to think that they are somehow "enlightening" anyone by unveiling what anyone whose lived beyond their parent's basement already knows.

We all have our own obstacles in life. The only thing I was trying to point out is that some people work to overcome those obstacles while others wallow in them. Contrary to what others here may think, every group has them. Now if pointing that out bugs a few people so be it. I've seen FAR WORSE posted from those same people on this site so their whole "I'm offended" crap isn't going to fly with me.

Going back to the "Blacks like Fried Chicken and Watermelon" thing, I do notice that in American media. And it just goes to show how ridiculous and yet dangerous racism is, that something like being fond of tasty food can be turned into a negative stereotype.

It certainly is. And I've seen it used by every single group in existence against another eg: whites against blacks, blacks against asians, Italians against Irish etc.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

So, ichab, do you think there's such a thing as structural racism or systemic bias? Just wondering.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Wait a minute, let's go back to where this whole nonsense started..

I posted a reply to another poster about his not knowing about the watermellon and fried chicken connection. I posted that growing up I didn't know about it until watching a documentary on it. YOU yourself post afterwards " Yes blacks eat fried chicken and watermellon. Guess who else does? EVERYBODY!!" Which is not really much different from my post. Mr. Moderator who should spend more time moderating instead of attacking posters decides to attack me by saying I'm trying to "force my views" on others. Which is a load of crap.

Let's get the obvious out of the way and remind ourselves that I was quoting a comedian playing a character. The purpose of that joke is to draw attention to how ridiculous the stereotype is, not that it isn't controversial.

And, finally, you missed the point. As @He Who Must Not Be Named pointed out (something I missed before, but as a human being, and especially a white male, me not noticing subtle racism isn't exactly news), the problem isn't you stating the fact that Fried Chicken is enjoyed by a great many people unrelated to their ethnicity. The problem is you claiming that saying Black People love Fried Chicken isn't controversial. Granted, you said it wasn't controversial to you. But that's not how controversy works.

No, Im simply thru with his constant thread derailments. I have better things to do than to argue with someone who has no concept of civilized discussion.

How is this derailment? He called out prejudice, which is the whole point of this thread.

I've lived long enough on this earth to know that everybodies circumstances are different and that not everybody has the same advantages. It's quite patronizing for them to think that they are somehow "enlightening" anyone by unveiling what anyone whose lived beyond their parent's basement already knows.

Well, maybe you might try showing that.

We all have our own obstacles in life. The only thing I was trying to point out is that some people work to overcome those obstacles while others wallow in them. Contrary to what others here may think, every group has them. Now if pointing that out bugs a few people so be it. I've seen FAR WORSE posted from those same people on this site so their whole "I'm offended" crap isn't going to fly with me.

Yes, everybody has obstacles in their life, but it's not like everybody has the same kind or amount of obstacles.

As a German, I could be offended by Hollywood always casting German actors as the bad guy (or worse, the British Bad Guy's henchman), or the jokes about German porn (and German sexuality in general). But I'd feel pretty silly doing that, considering that that's nothing compared to what people of other ethnicities and nationalities have to deal with, and also, because considering what Germans have actually done in the past, we're getting off relatively easy.

It certainly is. And I've seen it used by every single group in existence against another eg: whites against blacks, blacks against asians, Italians against Irish etc.

Yes, but the "dangerous" part is not equal among these groups.

Let's face it, the "Black People love Fried Chicken" stereotype is a relatively harmless one, compared to what Black People are also stereotyped as. But it is part of a package of stereotypes, and it is important to call them out as such.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Okay, trying a different route here: We're all a bit racist. Growing up in a racist society, there's no way you can't be. Same for sexism. But what I (and, I hope, others here) am trying to do is notice when and how I'm racist, acknowledge it, and try not to let it cloud my judgement. If I accidentally said it out loud, I apologize for it. And, come on, if you can apologize for farting, you should certainly apologize for being racist.

As an example: During the first season of The Flash, I also noticed how they used actors from the 1990s show in supporting roles and bit acts. But they hadn't used Alex Desert up to that point, and I thought about it, thinking that he could fit in very well playing Iris' uncle or something. And a few seconds later I noticed what others reading this will probably also have noticed, I fell for the old "All Black People know each other"-stereotype. But, like I said, I acknowledged it, chuckled a bit about my own stupidity and tried to think in other directions.

 

[ichab]

Let's get the obvious out of the way and remind ourselves that I was quoting a comedian playing a character. The purpose of that joke is to draw attention to how ridiculous the stereotype is, not that it isn't controversial.

Never heard that line before so for me it wasn't obvious.

And, finally, you missed the point. As @He Who Must Not Be Named pointed out (something I missed before, but as a human being, and especially a white male, me not noticing subtle racism isn't exactly news), the problem isn't you stating the fact that Fried Chicken is enjoyed by a great many people unrelated to their ethnicity. The problem is you claiming that saying Black People love Fried Chicken isn't controversial. Granted, you said it wasn't controversial to you.

So....where's the beef? I didn't say that my experience was the same as everyone elses which is what he was trying to prescribe to me.

How is this derailment? He called out prejudice, which is the whole point of this thread.

1.) He was trying to twist my words into something they were not.
2.) When I calmly explain myself, he keeps repeating the lie.

Well, maybe you might try showing that.

I'm not going to put a disclaimer on everything I say just because a few posters always think the worse about contradictory viewpoints.

Yes, everybody has obstacles in their life, but it's not like everybody has the same kind or amount of obstacles.

As a German, I could be offended by Hollywood always casting German actors as the bad guy (or worse, the British Bad Guy's henchman), or the jokes about German porn (and German sexuality in general). But I'd feel pretty silly doing that, considering that that's nothing compared to what people of other ethnicities and nationalities have to deal with, and also, because considering what Germans have actually done in the past, we're getting off relatively easy.,

Thanks for proving one of my points that it really is a choice to be offended. But otherwise...

You weren't there so you are not responsible for every attrocity committed by germans. There is nothing for you to "get off of." Show me a german soldier from Hitlers military and I'll join you in condemning him.Otherwise, it's just another form of white guilt.

 

[scotpens]

. . .As a German, I could be offended by Hollywood always casting German actors as the bad guy (or worse, the British Bad Guy's henchman), or the jokes about German porn (and German sexuality in general).

I wasn't aware that there were jokes about German porn and German sexuality. Care to repeat a few?

 

[Nyotarules]

I would argue we all have prejudices aka pre-judge folks. As for being racist I don't know of many people who hate others based on their race, believe they are superior and love the privilege they have and do all in their power to main said racial privilege. (Ok there is the KKK, neo Nazi groups, The National Front, Apartheid apologists). That to me is racism. I am not a racist but I am prejudiced, I assume all white folks are prejudice until proved otherwise its my defense mechanism against a world where I get 'the job is gone' speech as soon I show up for an interview with my Anglo saxon sounding name and voice lol And I say this as someone with close white friends who don't have a racist bone in their body, either that or they deserve an Oscar.
P.S Why does this site slow down all the time in Google Chrome?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I wasn't aware that there were jokes about German porn and German sexuality. Care to repeat a few?

Note to anyone reading this: BAD IDEA

 

[ichab]

Okay, trying a different route here: We're all a bit racist. Growing up in a racist society, there's no way you can't be. Same for sexism.

Edit: Just reread that and no, not everybody is racist and sexist. Prejudice maybe, but not racist. I merely suggested that racism is seen in all groups which is true. But everybody is born racist? Not a chance. That's a learned behavior based on experience.

,But what I (and, I hope, others here) am trying to do is notice when and how I'm racist, acknowledge it, and try not to let it cloud my judgement. If I accidentally said it out loud, I apologize for it. And, come on, if you can apologize for farting, you should certainly apologize for being racist.

Sorry dude, but farting is not even in the same league as racism. One is accidental behavior while the other is not. You really damaged ypur credibility with that statement.

As an example: During the first season of The Flash, I also noticed how they used actors from the 1990s show in supporting roles and bit acts. But they hadn't used Alex Desert up to that point, and I thought about it, thinking that he could fit in very well playing Iris' uncle or something. And a few seconds later I noticed what others reading this will probably also have noticed, I fell for the old "All Black People know each other"-stereotype. But, like I said, I acknowledged it, chuckled a bit about my own stupidity and tried to think in other directions.

Haven't had the chance to watch that one yet but Ive already stated that not all blacks are alike. What's interesting is in the last few of your posts you are saying many of the same things I have already posted yet you are getting likes from the same people who were griping when they were written by me. Which only proves that whole charade was nothing more than a personal vendetta. Hence the reason for ignore.

 

[Jim Gamma]

Honestly, reading this thread is something of an eye-opener... I don't know most of these stereotypes people are talking about. That said, I'm aware they exist, and that anyone can be guilty of applying them, even without realising it. I think it's called implicit stereotyping, or unconscious bias. What matters is that, when we're called on them, we acknowledge them and apologise for causing offence, I think. Doesn't matter that it wasn't intentional, it just matters that you're now aware of it and will work to avoid it in future.

And actually, racism can be accidental. The term "boy" or "boyo" in Wales (and other areas) is a term of endearment, but in the States, if you use "boy" to a young black male, you're making a link with that individual and child slaves of years gone by. If a Welsh person happens to say that to a black American male, the American is still within their rights to be offended, but the Welsh person likely didn't know of the meaning of the term, hence accidental racism.

(EDIT: And yes, I'm aware there's an inherent stereotype of Welsh people using the term "boyo" in the above. Apologies if I have caused offence.)

 

[MacLeod]

Because "them" is plural... I used to get told off for that in English class. (Doesn't mean I don't do it.) Apparently you're meant to say "him or her", or "just use him as shorthand". *rolls eyes*

It can also be used in the singular to refer to a person of unspecifed sex.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/them