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Spoilers Is Picard season 2 a failure?
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I was trying to explain why I watch the show - even though I strongly critique it. The question seems to be a common riposte when you write on Trek forums. But yeah, the only reason that I watched DSC as long as I did was exactly that - because I am a Star Trek fan.
Funny you say that. I watched this week's Better Call Saul right before the Picard season finale. Could be another reason why I thought the finale was a mess LOL
You're right, my bad. I did read the whole post but I must have spaced out part way through (don't take that as an insult!) and didn't bother to reflect. Poor form of me.
We love most of the same shows. The new Trek shows aren't in that category of "prestige television" but I don't think that makes them bad or not entertaining. There's room for The Wire, The Shield, Saul (and more) and Discovery in my life LOL.
If you haven't yet check out Kingdom (MMA), starring Frank Grillo. Since I like pretty much everything on your list (haven't seen the new Dexter season or the Portuguese show) you may like it It's a great show and went by relatively unknown since it aired on an unknown channel (Audience channel). There's a lot of great television out there.
Comparing the writing quality of Picard to Better Call Saul is akin to Bambi vs. Godzilla.
Now that I've seen the whole season - it's a fail from me.
Putting aside everything else, my pet nit picking peeve: no explanation as to why Q of all beings was dying - and evidently did die. Granted, how they packaged the scenes between him and Picard were touching, but it was such a disjointed mess to get to that point.
We're also being asked to ignore much of what came before. Death Wish is one of my favourite Voyager / Q episodes. How do you reconcile Quinn's plight with Picard S2? Not a word except Q's nebulous comments on the temporal horizon darkening. Huh? What about the rest of The Continuum? What about his son? It just ... doesn't matter?
The season as a whole was NOT good.
The beginning of the season and the finale were pretty great. The middle was mostly filler.
The beginning of the season and the finale were pretty great. The middle was mostly filler.
I have the opposite reaction that the show flows incredibly well and lands pretty well but its a show that only makes sense binge watched.
A lot of the anger and annoyance at the shows twists and turns are do to the fact that its plot points are spread out over ten episodes and waiting between them made people frustrated or had them believe things would not be addressed or addressed differently.
This is definitely the "ten part movie" script writing.
Exactly. Also the crew didn't look like they were out of place in another time. They fit right in even their clothes before this season would have fit pretty well. The first and last eps were the best of the lot. As star trek though the season was inferior and actually quite boring.
I find that a bizarre one because you can say the story was maudlin, silly, bizarre, overly emotional, traumatizing in places, and full of utter insanity but it was never BORING.
My big issue with the show is the scripting is...bad. Like, really bad in places. Even the finale had some big issues in parts, where characters say completely obvious things that we understand just through the scene as depicted. Plus a lot of shortcuts which make no sense (like Elnor being the one who answers the comm even though he's a cadet) for story purposes. Lots of characters pulled around as marionettes as needed by the plot, etc.
They had good themes, a good framework for a plot, decent bones for character arcs. They just needed someone to do a final edit on the scripts.
Yeah it was. I've seen. More than enough of the châteaus basement to last me a lifetime. Soooo boring. Also the whole thing at the party. Snoozeville.
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I mean, even by Star Trek standards, that seems like major nitpicking.
The Chateau's basement full of dead mercs and shocking drama. Okay sure.
Plus, it offered nothing new. It was all stuff we've seen done better before.
It was a story about working past trauma on a personal level to embrace new possibilities. It was all very thematically tied together because it also tied this to society working to be better.
Did you watch the fbi agent episode?
I mean, I know why they did it. What I don't know is why they shoved three episodes worth of plot into the final episode. It was basically:
- Finally defeat Soong (took around 16 minutes if you count the extended dramatic death scene of Tallinn)
- Get back to the 24th century/Q's farewell) (another 15 minutes)
- 24th century - which included a crisis resolved immediately (another 13 minutes)
I mean, in the grand scheme of things you're right, it's not a big deal. But it's one of those things I think a bit more polish could have fixed (wasn't Raffi originally on that ship with Elnor anyway?)
Yeah, but I loved the Carbon Creek discussion. It was also a moment where I think the show was pausing to say, "this is what the show is about. A traumatized old guy getting over his trauma even though he's lost most of his life pursuing it."
IGN gave the entire season 2 a 4 rating and titled their review "All Bad Things...."
They say the season is: BAD - Picard Season 2 is a disappointing entry in the legendary captain’s journey, and possibly the worst season of Star Trek ever.
https://www.ign.com/articles/star-trek-picard-season-2-full-review
"Season 2 started off in a good place, looking to amend some of the missteps of the show’s freshman year. But in attempting to embrace and celebrate the things that fans love about Star Trek, the show fell into the trap of regurgitating old concepts. Picard’s central arc focused on him unlocking the dark memories of his childhood and how those mysterious events of his past helped make him the emotionally guarded man he is today, and while this is an interesting development in the character’s story, it never quite gels. Meanwhile, the majority of the Picard Squad were seemingly doomed to run in place throughout the season, biding their time until they were written off the show entirely."
More at the link above.
They say the season is: BAD - Picard Season 2 is a disappointing entry in the legendary captain’s journey, and possibly the worst season of Star Trek ever.
https://www.ign.com/articles/star-trek-picard-season-2-full-review
"Season 2 started off in a good place, looking to amend some of the missteps of the show’s freshman year. But in attempting to embrace and celebrate the things that fans love about Star Trek, the show fell into the trap of regurgitating old concepts. Picard’s central arc focused on him unlocking the dark memories of his childhood and how those mysterious events of his past helped make him the emotionally guarded man he is today, and while this is an interesting development in the character’s story, it never quite gels. Meanwhile, the majority of the Picard Squad were seemingly doomed to run in place throughout the season, biding their time until they were written off the show entirely."
More at the link above.
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