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Spoilers Is Picard season 2 a failure?

I don't really agree that removing the 1's and 10's would make much difference they mostly cancel each other out. Maybe I'm biased but across the series they look about where I would expect, 8's for the first two and then a drop of to around 5-6 for the latest ones.
 
This season, for me, so far has had a couple 8s, a bunch of 6s and 7s, and one 5.
 
I don't really agree that removing the 1's and 10's would make much difference they mostly cancel each other out. Maybe I'm biased but across the series they look about where I would expect, 8's for the first two and then a drop of to around 5-6 for the latest ones.

In general they will but it is particularly pronounced on ep9 where 1s are the single largest voting block and that screams anomalous data point to me.

I have done a quick check using arithmetic mean and for Ep 1 it drops from an 8 to a 7.7, which is 4% reduction in score, but for Ep 9 it goes up from 5 to 5.5, an improvement of 10% which is quite significant in terms of the scoring.

It obviously doesn't move its ranking up to being a BOBW level episode but it is certainly evidence that the 1s and 10s have a big impact.
 
A shame, Season 1 is one of my all time favorite Treks. I'm sorry you weren't able to enjoy it or its worldbuilding.

Everyone likes what they like. I'm glad you got a lot out of it. I do think the set up was intriguing, but it rarely delivered for me. I wanted to learn more about how the rest of the Alpha Quadrant was grappling with the destruction of Romulus or even the fate of the xBs, but the season instead went for a more generic evil robot (synth) plot that we've before in many other science fiction works. And even with that it didn't do much with the synth storyline IMO to make it stand out from Terminator or Battlestar Galactica/Caprica.
 
I am very disappointed in season 2. I doubt I will ever re-watch this season again. I found episode 9 to be almost unwatchable. Hoping the finale is better. Up till this episode it was Enterprise S2 that disappointed me the most but now this show has passed it for me unless they really stick the landing with the finale.

Next up Strange New Worlds. I have great hopes for this!
 
I don't really agree that removing the 1's and 10's would make much difference they mostly cancel each other out. Maybe I'm biased but across the series they look about where I would expect, 8's for the first two and then a drop of to around 5-6 for the latest ones.
I would agree with that, as that seems to be the average of the reaction around here. Does that make it a failure though? That's the bigger question for me. To me, "failure" implies very little, if anything, redeemable.
 
They're not legitimate critics. They're being disingenuous.

Steve Shives is legit. He has defended DIS and PIC on numerous occasions and broadly enjoys both shows. PIC S2 just isn't doing it for him. I don't agree with his assessment, but I don't think he's just saying that for clicks.

They're not legit? Yet they have 1.4M followers to Paramount+ 440K.

I really don't think it makes much sense to compare following a YouTuber (which is free) to subscribing to a streaming service (which costs money). The opportunity cost on the former is far, far lower than the opportunity cost on the latter.
 
They're not legit?
No, they are not.

They have an unearned platform that costs nothing to join, with no way of actively measuring their followers or participation.
What matters is SNW. Once it starts in Canada. Their rating numbers will speak volumes when compared to STD and STP.
It won't. Because the point is to give as much possible Trek content for all individuals to pick and choose to enjoy not just die hards who think Trek belongs in a box.

I mean I don't want to seem like I'm taking Char Kais' side here, the side of absolute hate, but the absolute hate for YouTube critics isn't great to see either.
Hate? No. Not a primary source of information or something I give any weight to? Yes.
Whew. With those lousy numbers i would definitely call it a failure on all levels.
When it stops getting made then it's a failure. Until then, nope.

Just because it isn't for everyone doesn't make it a failure. At best it makes it average. At worst it makes it mediocre.

Failure is vastly overstating what has happened in hyperbolic style.
 
Also, I just don't even see what the point of caring about the ratings for Star Trek: Picard would even be. Star Trek: Picard is going to have three seasons, they're ending the show after season three, and season three has already wrapped principle photography and is in post-production. It's a done deal. Ratings are immaterial at this point.
 
Also, I just don't even see what the point of caring about the ratings for Star Trek: Picard would even be. Star Trek: Picard is going to have three seasons, they're ending the show after season three, and season three has already wrapped principle photography and is in post-production. It's a done deal. Ratings are immaterial at this point.
Indeed. The authors got to write the story they wanted to under the constraints they had.

And that is not a failure.
 
Also, I just don't even see what the point of caring about the ratings for Star Trek: Picard would even be. Star Trek: Picard is going to have three seasons, they're ending the show after season three, and season three has already wrapped principle photography and is in post-production. It's a done deal. Ratings are immaterial at this point.
Well it still is. They left it open for a fourth just in case. If no ones watching we won't see Picard ever again. I certainly don't want 4 season of this junk.
 
You don't have to watch it. I didn't want 7 seasons of Voyager either. Definitely not TNG.

Exactly. I quit watching Voyager a couple seasons before it ended. I’d just had enough. I don’t think I announced it to a single soul, either. It wasn’t a big deal. Something either works for you or it doesn’t. Either way, you gotta get over it.
 
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Halo and Picard have basically made Paramount+ king of the streaming wars.

It's nice to congratulate P+ and Picard/Halo, but they're not even close to being "king of the streaming wars".

1) It's false information. The "Yellowstone" spin-off "1883" it the top show on Paramount Plus
2) That Paramount Plus is "not even close to being king of the streaming wars" is an understatement. When was the last time a PP show was in the Nielsen streaming Top 10?

The compelling and incredibly popular Yellowstone origin story 1883 from creator producer Taylor Sheridan was once again a juggernaut. It holds the top spot for acquisition and is the number one streaming original ever for the service in terms of new domestic subscribers and engagement.

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