Good point! I could not have said it better!
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Is "Nemesis" an underrated movie?
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Good point! I could not have said it better!
No one to back me up in this thread so I have resorted to quoting myself.
I Am The One Who Resists The Tug Of Popular Sentiment.
I liked TFF and NEM just fine. I think that, regardless of any real of percieved faults, they were a couple of darn good fims.
I have a poncho on, right now. Kindly throw the tomatoes, please.
I felt the same way, my only gripe being the sequel set-up was way too heavy handed.
It's a still a good Trek film, compares favorably, if not better than, STXI. First impressions are right. I watched NEM again last month and find it underrated by a few points.
What I feel separates it from TWOK is the humanistic realism that TWOK has in spades. TWOK has better dialog, and I think, better acting across the board. If TWOK is an A, NEM is a B.
I would rather watch Nemesis than some stupid chick flick or fart comedy any day of the week.
It's great to finally see some positive opinions.
I think that eventually it will become more popular among the fans and might even be a classic one day. Movies like "Alien 3" are typical examples of that.
I think that eventually it will become more popular among the fans and might even be a classic one day. Movies like "Alien 3" are typical examples of that.
Considering its troubled production, I think Alien 3 is well acted, has some good dialogue, is rather well directed, and has a great cyberpunk look. People didn't like it because it wasn't what they expected, that doesn't mean it isn't good. I think it was badly marketed, which meant the film wasn't really the one advertised.
Nemesis didn't really have any excuse. They could have hired a good director, knocked together a good script and had one last hurrah. It just felt lacklustre instead.
Nemesis didn't really have any excuse. They could have hired a good director, knocked together a good script and had one last hurrah. It just felt lacklustre instead.
It would be hard to find a chick flick as stupid or a fart comedy as childish as Nemesis.
But yes, bad as Nemesis is Star Trek V is worse. Nemesis is a disappointing Star Trek movie and a mediocre movie in general; Trek V is a disappointing Star Trek movie and an incompetent mess in general.
Yes, definitely underrated. Its a very good production, though its not the Romulan story I would have chosen.
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While Nemesis seemed like it was written by a 15 year-old...which is even worse.
So please explain to me why he decided to attack Earth.
"The Romulans were mean to me, so I'm gonna kill the humans!"
Simplistic as Khan's motives were, at least they were logical.
Humans are one of the key races within the Federation, which he considered a potential enemy. Shinzon was not a slave anymore, but freedom wasn't enough for him. He wanted to become the master and enslave others.
Shinzon's decision to ATTACK (not abduct) Picard, near the end, resulting in his imminent death was ridiculous. There was plenty of justification for eliminating "the weapon" on the basis that it was a WMD. Earth need not entered into it.
Of course, there's no logical reason to assume there is only one Scimitar and hence only one weapon. There are multiple ships of most classes. For all we know, and there is NO clear canon after Nemesis, he had a fleet of the darned things and 50 of them warped to wipe out earth moments after the movie ended. Note that "old Spock" doesn't mention Earth surviving years later.
Of course, there's no logical reason to assume there is only one Scimitar and hence only one weapon. There are multiple ships of most classes. For all we know, and there is NO clear canon after Nemesis, he had a fleet of the darned things and 50 of them warped to wipe out earth moments after the movie ended. Note that "old Spock" doesn't mention Earth surviving years later.
Sounds alot like Star Trek 2009!
Those reviews were great. Long, but had me laughing.
I don't think Nemesis is underrated at all. I remember feeling numb when I left the theater. In contrast I was pumped after seeing GEN and FC, and I thought INS was underwhelming, but not all that bad. With NEM, the crew seemed so old and the story was tired and didn't make much sense. Being a fan, I bought the DVD anyway, but I bought it used, which was a sign of my disappointment with the film. Looking back on DVD, I thought the cinematography came off better on DVD, I liked the dark colors of the film, the action scenes were well staged (though some were pointless as the Youtube review brilliantly points out), and there was a little bit more of an emotional reaction to Data's death than I caught in the theater, but still not enough. I didn't have a problem with Tom Hardy's portrayal, but the problem was Shinzon and his motivation. This film really could've been so much more, but it seems like it was a cynical, lowest common denominator type of affair that was supposed to please everyone but pleased no one.
NEM really lacked an emotional core and the character moments that make Trek episodes and films great and memorable. The ensemble concept was totally forgotten. And its funny that they took the time to actually bring Wesley and Guinan back, yet didn't take the time to remember or research that Wesley wasn't in Starfleet when he left TNG or that Worf had become an ambassador. And where was Mother Troi? It would've been nice to get a cameo at the wedding.
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I went into the theater expecting a look into the romulan culture, instead got an emo picard clone throwing a temper tantrum. While it did have good points, in my personal opinion it was lacking as a trek film. I have a similar opinion of TFF, but playing devils advocate for a moment I think both had great potential even with the problems.
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