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Is Lady Gaga as big as the Beatles?

You need to not focus so hard on one particular word in my post. I didn't say you were silly or that I'm cosmopolitan. I do think it's silly to imply that people exist solely in these genre specific music universes. If that's not what you were implying and I got it wrong, then there shouldn't be an issue.

I never claimed that everyone had to like everything, just that it's possible to enjoy different varieties of music. Personally I don't usually care for in-depth knowledge about musical artists, it just doesn't interest me in general.

You sure did imply that I was silly, when you stated that

It's kind of silly to think that we all live in different "universes" when it comes to music though.

when I clearly stated in my referenced post that I believed this to be true. :p

The thing is that, in order to be able to speak with some degree of knowledge about what the prevailing opinion is, overall (ie, in a general sense) within a fan base, rather than, ya know...talking out your ass, you DO have to live in that universe. And by 'living in that universe', I mean spending a significant amount of time not only listening to studio recordings of bands in that genre on the radio...but discussing the music with other fans, listening to live recordings/bootlegs, keeping up on news and reviews from the tours, and generally engaging other fans, world-wide.

Now, I do that with hard rock and the 'lighter' end of metal. So I do feel that I have done the homework required to state as I did that Gaga is not regarded with anywhere near the respect commanded by the Beatles in those circles. In other words, I was not talking out my ass, but providing the prevailing opinion. Both on the Beatles and on Gaga. And I also clearly stated that I do not have the expertise to speak about what the prevailing opinion might be among other groups of music fans - I believe Country was specifically addressed with regard to this.

And by the way, I am by no means alone, when it comes to focusing on depth of knowledge within a genre, as opposed to knowing a little bit about a whole lot of stuff. In fact, there are lots of people I have met along the way who are pretty much experts in the work and history of only one or two bands...or maybe a smaller sized sub-genre. I would say that I know more about the sub-genre known as 'Seattle Grunge' than most people on this board - origins & influences, band histories, discographies, side projects & supergroups, etc...but I know people in the Pearl Jam community who put my knowledge of Pearl Jam to shame, they are such wizards. I mean, I can give you the band history and tell you why the album Ten was...well...named Ten. But I know people who can recite set lists of individual shows going back over 20 years to the origins of Pearl Jam, can tell you how many times a particular song has been performed live, have been to over 100 Pearl Jam shows, etc. :lol: And I have met fans in other individual band communities of long-standing, legendary bands, who could do the same - particularly in the Springsteen community...and of course the granddaddy of them all, the Grateful Dead community. I'm not a particular fan of Rush, but I am aware of the same thing happening there as well.

And the thing is, while you say that you 'don't care about in-depth knowledge about musical artists'....the people who DO care? THOSE are the very kinds of fans who separate 'fad' from 'legend' in the end! The Dead are not legends because a shitload of people bought their first 3 albums when the media machine was in high gear, cranking out the buzz (not that it did that, in the 60's, when The Dead released their first albums). :lol: The Dead are legends because they made good enough music to keep a very strong base of devoted fans, long after their initial popularity wore off. The Deadheads who followed the Dead around the world for months on end....THOSE are the people whose devotion propelled The Dead into legend. Not the fans who 'don't care about in-depth knowledge about musical artists'. ;)

Bands do not become legends in a vacuum, you know - look at any band of legendary or potentially legendary status...and I'll show you a band who has made very good music for a very long time, whose live shows are known for being BETTER than their studio albums, and who have a very strong and devoted fan base who have hung around and kept coming to concerts, buying records, and collecting paraphernalia, long after that band has relinquished their permanent spot on the Top 40 list.

How do you think a band becomes a legend, anyway? By selling a shitload of records in the first 3 years, when the PR machine is working at peak capacity? :lol: Because that is what some of you guys seem to be saying. Indeed, that seems to be the premise of this entire thread, and the bit some of us are so surprised and dismayed by. I mean, to even make the comparison between 3 year-old Gaga and her publicity machine and the Beatles...who have survived as a legend, 50 years and two deaths after they actually broke up, is nothing short of alarming. Alarming because it reveals a very wide gulf between what 'legend' used to mean...and what it is apparently coming to mean now.

Put it this way...you'd be hard pressed to find a much bigger Pearl Jam fan than myself on this board (although I know at least two guys who might qualify). And I became a fan at the very beginning - in other words, I have been a fan of this band for over 20 years, 9 studio albums and an album of B sides, a bazillion live albums (the official bootleg collection is well over 100 now), several world tours playing to massive arenas, and the tenure of a drummer who is still considered to be 'the new guy' after 13 years with the band. And if you remember the early 90's at all, you know that grunge changed the face of music in some major ways, set off changes in a number of areas of popular culture, and...wait for it....sold shitloads of records - Pearl Jam's being at the front of those sales, along with Nirvana.

And even after all that...and a long-time devoted fan base who follow PJ around the world, Dead-style and who collect concert posters on ebay with Ninja-level skillz of acquisition...I am only now getting comfortable with idea of thinking of this band as a potential 'legend' AT ALL...let alone anywhere approaching the legendary status of The Beatles or The Grateful Dead.

So forgive me if I don't rush Gaga to the front of the line. :lol:

I'm sure she is a good pop musician...but get back to me in 10 or 20 years after the hype machine has folded tents and gone home. Then we'll talk about legend. If anyone can still remember her name.
 
To answer the question, no, nobody has ever and I doubt will ever reach The Beatles status. With the music business in decline, it seems those days are long gone and will not return.

I agree with this. Although I'll say it isn't quite so much rock being in decline as there being far more competition. The Beatles entered a vacuum when they arrived. People hadn't seen anything like them and they blew everything away. The Beatles are the greatest, but I don't think they'd even have the same impact if they arrived today just because there's more noise to get through.

I think she's way more than a fad, but I also think that comparisons are tricky. Personally I've never understood what the big fuss was about The Beatles, but they've obviously had a long lasting cultural impact. I do have to say though, I think Lady Gaga has progressed beyond pop star of the moment to having a broader impact, and I like that she's out there.

Her first album isn't even 3 years old yet. ;)

Well, the Beatles only lasted six years and their popularity was in decline a bit when Abby Road came out. I don't know if Lady Gaga's popularity will last, but she's certainly managed to stand above the rest right now. Also, considering most pop stars are out of the limelight by now, she's managed to keep going. Her music isn't just known as "the new song at the club," it's known as the latest Lady Gaga song. That says something, even if it doesn't last forever.

But, no, not even close to the Beatles. No one ever will be again.
 
I remember Beatlemania circa 1964 through 1970. Do you think Lady Gaga has achieved a similar level of international pop culture stardom?

She's only one and they were a group of four, but still. I'm thinking she's as famous as the Beatles in their heyday and is working on becoming just as rich.
as rich she might become, but not even Jesus will ever be as popular as the Fab Four! (and before I get excommunicated: this was merely a reference to a quote by John Lennon, not an anti-religious statement)
 
I don't know if Lady Gaga's popularity will last, but she's certainly managed to stand above the rest right now. Also, considering most pop stars are out of the limelight by now, she's managed to keep going. Her music isn't just known as "the new song at the club," it's known as the latest Lady Gaga song. That says something, even if it doesn't last forever.

Well, I don't think anyone is denying her current popularity. That would be a pretty dumb position to take, given that she is ALL. OVER. THE. PLACE. :lol:

And I, for one, am not even arguing about her talent - I haven't listened very much to her music, but from what I can tell, she has a good singing voice and seems pretty talented to me...even if I'm not a particular fan of the pop genre in general.

The question at issue is neither of those things though. The question at issue is whether or not she is 'as big as the Beatles'.

And my response to that is a definite 'no'. With the additional comment that it's WAY too early to tell if she will go down as legend AT ALL...let alone a legend of Beatles stature and recognition. Her first album is less than 3 years old and the PR machine is still cranking out the buzz, full force. You can't even begin to get a clue of whether a band is legend material until years after all of that stops and the body of work can be put to the test of standing on it's own, unadorned by hype and gimmick.

Now, I have no idea if she will pass that test or not. And I'm not saying she won't. All I'm saying, and have ever said, is that it's too early to tell.

But, no, not even close to the Beatles. No one ever will be again.

See...I wouldn't even go that far. I agree with the first sentence....but I'm not sure we can say definitively that 'no one ever will again'. I think it is pretty unlikely...but 'ever' is a pretty strong statement....;)
 
The Beatles? No. She's bigger than Madonna, though, which seems to make Madge a bit nuts. :lol:

I think Lady Gaga's great, BTW. The audience is never wrong.
 
I don't have much to add except that Bad Romance is a really good song. I saw this cover band in Key West that did a rock-tinged version of it, was totally awesome.

Also, comparing Lady Gaga to The Beatles is like comparing 2011 to 1966. Totally ridiculous. For one thing, people don't listen to music the same way that they did then.
 
I don't have much to add except that Bad Romance is a really good song. I saw this cover band in Key West that did a rock-tinged version of it, was totally awesome.

Also, comparing Lady Gaga to The Beatles is like comparing 2011 to 1966. Totally ridiculous. For one thing, people don't listen to music the same way that they did then.

This is true. Obviously we're just killing time here. That, and most of the folks comparing the two don't actually remember 1966. :lol:

I'm not enjoying as much of the new album at this point as I did her last one, but it's growing on me.
 
To answer the question, no, nobody has ever and I doubt will ever reach The Beatles status. With the music business in decline, it seems those days are long gone and will not return.

Well, Elvis is neck-in-neck with them IMO. And I'd argue that Michael Jackson is in the same "club," with the bunch.

Beatles, Jackson, and Elvis are musical legends and dependent upon the type of music you enjoy each fan group would call them the 'kings,' of music thus far.

Gaga isn't even close to the above group.
 
Hmm...

You do not like Lady Gaga or the Beatles. You consider her music an insult to music in general. That means there is music you like. What you are doing is comparing the music you don't like, which is hers, to the music you do like. You like her music less than you like the Beatles, and you do not like the Beatles. Whether you like the Beatles or not makes no difference to this equation. You are making a comparison of your likes and dislikes, and calling them fact. You can run around the meaning all you want, but you are trying to substitute your musical opinions as fact.

Reading comprehension. I never called her music an insult to music. I said THIS QUESTION is an insult to music. You assumed the rest.
If you think her music is better than The Beatles, that's not insulting to music or to me. That's just an opinion. A perfectly valid one if you like her music.

Now, the thread title and the OP can be taken as slightly different questions. If we're merely comparing Lady Gaga's current popularity to The Beatles' popularity after the same amount of time, then that's not insulting. That is a reasonable comparison. They both sold a lot of albums, they've both become household names. I don't know how you'd compare them fairly, especially with the differences in the music business, but it's not an unreasonable question at all.

However, if we take it from the concise thread title (which I have been), and compare Lady Gaga to The Beatles, then it's not even debatable. Many other pop artists have achieved as much as her in as little time, and then faded away to obscurity in a short time never to be heard of again. She may stand out from the current artists, but she hasn't proved longevity, which is what is necessary to be as big as the Beatles. You may consider that a cop out, but if the question is whether she is as big as The Beatles, then that's how it is.

No subjective statements about whether I like her music less. Doesn't make a difference. She hasn't sold over 600 million albums, she isn't still influencing artists 50 years in the future or considered the most influential pop/rock act ever.
Maybe she's bigger after 3 years than the Beatles were after the same amount of time, as she has done very well in that time. But the pop genre moves too quickly to extrapolate anything from that about her future.

Nowhere am I stating my musical opinions as facts. Maybe we're answering to two different questions. If you're comparing Lady Gaga at 3 years to The Beatles at the same point, then I'm sorry if I've been too hasty to dismiss the question.
However, if we're taking both at the present day, then I stick by everything I've said.
 
No.

The only artist who ever achieved this was Michael Jackson (and ironically, didn't he also buy the rights to the Beatles?)

I don't think Lady Gaga will ever be as big, but that's not to say that she won't still be popular and make a shitload of money
 
No. Not even close. The Beatles are an international institution. Most people know their songs by heart. I don't think most people even know any of her songs. I certainly don't. I'm sure she'd love to be as popular as the Beatles. Heck, every band does. In a few years her popularity will fizzle out and she'll be just another has-been.
 
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