Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the sequel?

[M'Sharak]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Not just simply the action, but the glorification of violence is what bothered me. There was a lot of killing with a kind of glee by the "heroes" that I found contrary to what (to me at least) Star Trek is and should be about. Contrast it with SFS where Kirk keeps trying to save Kruge's life up until the point that the Klingon's intransgience gets to be more than Kirk can stand (amusing side note, "Time to boot stomp this Klingon" has become the short hand reference between my wife and I when one of us has tried to be nice to someone who just keeps being a dick).

Well, Kirk does extend his hand to Nero at the end and gets it swatted away. I didn't get any sense of glee from the characters from killing anyone, though.

Well, Olson was a bit gleeful at the prospect of getting to "kick some Romulan arse," but that ended up not working out so well for him. As for killing seen throughout the rest of the movie, though, that all seemed to me to be pretty grim and businesslike.

 

[Bishop76]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

^ True, but that was totally played for yuks. Anyone who's seen Star Trek (and a lot who hadn't) knew exactly what was going to happen to the guy whose name we just learned wearing red.

 

[Stoek]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Not just simply the action, but the glorification of violence is what bothered me. There was a lot of killing with a kind of glee by the "heroes" that I found contrary to what (to me at least) Star Trek is and should be about. Contrast it with SFS where Kirk keeps trying to save Kruge's life up until the point that the Klingon's intransgience gets to be more than Kirk can stand (amusing side note, "Time to boot stomp this Klingon" has become the short hand reference between my wife and I when one of us has tried to be nice to someone who just keeps being a dick).

Well, Kirk does extend his hand to Nero at the end and gets it swatted away. I didn't get any sense of glee from the characters from killing anyone, though.

I disagree. The battle scene on the platform with Sulu and the sword felt like one long "Oh look at how bad ass we are" sequence. And the ending felt perfunctory, as if they wanted to get the boring attempt at decency out of the way so that they could get to the cool ship explosion.

 

[6079SmithW]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Let's not forget that Nero told Kirk that he killed his father and yet Kirk was still willing to put his personal feelings on the side to do the right thing and assist the crew of a doomed ship (including the person that killed his father) and, in a larger sense, attempt to mend the rift between the Feds and Rommies.

"This could be our only chance to win peace with the Empire" or something along those lines.

So, it wasn't all gun-ho and blood and guts.

 

[Stoek]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Let's not forget that Nero told Kirk that he killed his father and yet Kirk was still willing to put his personal feelings on the side to do the right thing and assist the crew of a doomed ship (including the person that killed his father) and, in a larger sense, attempt to mend the rift between the Feds and Rommies.

"This could be our only chance to win peace with the Empire" or something along those lines.

So, it wasn't all gun-ho and blood and guts.

No, nor did I say it was. However I would like to see a bit more depth in the next movie. And perhaps a problem that is not soluble only through violence.

 

[Bishop76]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Not just simply the action, but the glorification of violence is what bothered me. There was a lot of killing with a kind of glee by the "heroes" that I found contrary to what (to me at least) Star Trek is and should be about. Contrast it with SFS where Kirk keeps trying to save Kruge's life up until the point that the Klingon's intransgience gets to be more than Kirk can stand (amusing side note, "Time to boot stomp this Klingon" has become the short hand reference between my wife and I when one of us has tried to be nice to someone who just keeps being a dick).

Well, Kirk does extend his hand to Nero at the end and gets it swatted away. I didn't get any sense of glee from the characters from killing anyone, though.

I disagree. The battle scene on the platform with Sulu and the sword felt like one long "Oh look at how bad ass we are" sequence. And the ending felt perfunctory, as if they wanted to get the boring attempt at decency out of the way so that they could get to the cool ship explosion.

Sure there was a sense of bad-assery - that's what makes action scenes fun. After the heroes beat a bad guy, I don't constantly want to be subjected to some navel-gazing bullshit about how it tore the characters up to kill another living being. They were bad guys trying to stop the good guys from doing the right thing. They brought their deadly force to the table and were met in kind. When the heroes won the day, it was exhilarating - something Trek has very much forgotten to be in recent years.

And there was a little lightheartedness at the end where we get an odd little role-reversal of Kirk and Spock and a comedic little aside comment, but the offer to save Nero's life seemed genuine enough.

Frankly, I think you're looking for things to dislike.

 

[Jax]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

More action because we don't need to spend ages introducing the characters. Sorry

However am sure it will look great as long as we keep Michael Bay away from it

 

[6079SmithW]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Well, Kirk does extend his hand to Nero at the end and gets it swatted away. I didn't get any sense of glee from the characters from killing anyone, though.

I disagree. The battle scene on the platform with Sulu and the sword felt like one long "Oh look at how bad ass we are" sequence. And the ending felt perfunctory, as if they wanted to get the boring attempt at decency out of the way so that they could get to the cool ship explosion.

Sure there was a sense of bad-assery - that's what makes action scenes fun. After the heroes beat a bad guy, I don't constantly want to be subjected to some navel-gazing bullshit about how it tore the characters up to kill another living being. They were bad guys trying to stop the good guys from doing the right thing. They brought their deadly force to the table and were met in kind. When the heroes won the day, it was exhilarating - something Trek has very much forgotten to be in recent years.

And there was a little lightheartedness at the end where we get an odd little role-reversal of Kirk and Spock and a comedic little aside comment, but the offer to save Nero's life seemed genuine enough.

Yup. Starfleet can do all the exploring they want but when the bad guys show up and directly attack the UFP Starfleet's ships and officers are expected to use their phasers and torpedos to blow the crap out of the offending party.

Not to say that all affronts against the UFP require violence, diplomacy is there to prevent things from coming to that, but in Nero's case diplomacy was not going to work.

Also, I to agree that Kirk's offer was genuine. Although he may have been somewhat of a headstrong, impulsive and aggressive person (and even an asshole at times), he was not a cold blooded killer. If Nero had surrendered, its not like Kirk was going to walk up to him and put a phaser bolt through his head for revenge, Kirk would have had security arrest him and hold him until Kirk could hand him over to SF for prosecution.

 

[Captain Mike]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

I'm always complaining about too much action.. I remember sitting through one of the Matrix movies where there is a long freeway chase n' shoot scene thinking I wanted to claw my eyes out it was so boring. I was nearly asleep in one of the other Matrix's because of the endless action.

After I saw ST:XI the first time I remember telling someone that the action level was PERFECT. There was just enough for it being big screen Trek but in no way did it take over or go on too long. Just enough to keep it a bit pumped, which is what you want for Trek onscreen.

You never got what the "original" (TOS, TOS:A,TNG, DS9, Voyager or even ENTERPRISE) was all about do you....

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

For that kind of snark to be effective you'd first have to demonstrate that you're more "cerebral" than the rest of us.

The evidence is sparse, to put it diplomatically.

 

[RandyS]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

I hope they cut back a little, but I don't expect that they will.

 

[Captain Mike]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

For that kind of snark to be effective you'd first have to demonstrate that you're more "cerebral" than the rest of us.

The evidence is sparse, to put it diplomatically.

You want me to state every episode that was dramatically so much better than this movie?...
So much for saving bandwidth for the BBS...

 

[number6]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

For that kind of snark to be effective you'd first have to demonstrate that you're more "cerebral" than the rest of us.

The evidence is sparse, to put it diplomatically.

You want me to state every episode that was dramatically so much better than this movie?...
So much for saving bandwidth for the BBS...

You could save a lot of bandwidth by either posting something of substance or not posting at all.
Either way you will contribute more to the BBS by doing so.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

I'm always complaining about too much action.. I remember sitting through one of the Matrix movies where there is a long freeway chase n' shoot scene thinking I wanted to claw my eyes out it was so boring. I was nearly asleep in one of the other Matrix's because of the endless action.

After I saw ST:XI the first time I remember telling someone that the action level was PERFECT. There was just enough for it being big screen Trek but in no way did it take over or go on too long. Just enough to keep it a bit pumped, which is what you want for Trek onscreen.

You never got what the "original" (TOS, TOS:A,TNG, DS9, Voyager or even ENTERPRISE) was all about do you....

Are you sure you read teacake's post first before hitting the Quote button? Your reply reads as if it were in response to the opposite of what she wrote, or perhaps intended to answer another post entirely.

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

Sorry, where do you get "non-cerebral" out of a post which begins "I'm always complaining about too much action"? You're not simply off the mark with this; it seems you've missed the target altogether.

 

[number6]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

I think the next film should lighten up on the action and be more of a chick flick, like Thelma and Louise.

 

[Captain Mike]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

I'm always complaining about too much action.. I remember sitting through one of the Matrix movies where there is a long freeway chase n' shoot scene thinking I wanted to claw my eyes out it was so boring. I was nearly asleep in one of the other Matrix's because of the endless action.

After I saw ST:XI the first time I remember telling someone that the action level was PERFECT. There was just enough for it being big screen Trek but in no way did it take over or go on too long. Just enough to keep it a bit pumped, which is what you want for Trek onscreen.

You never got what the "original" (TOS, TOS:A,TNG, DS9, Voyager or even ENTERPRISE) was all about do you....

Are you sure you read teacake's post first before hitting the Quote button? Your reply reads as if it were in response to the opposite of what she wrote, or perhaps intended to answer another post entirely.

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

Sorry, where do you get "non-cerebral" out of a post which begins "I'm always complaining about too much action"? You're not simply off the mark with this; it seems you've missed the target altogether.

Sorry. you too are far off the mark...yes Star Trek had action but it also was dramatic. I didn't see the "drama" or a story that "pulled" me into the characters in "XI" and I half expect not to see any of that in the next feature due to the "action" factor.

 

[number6]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

You never got what the "original" (TOS, TOS:A,TNG, DS9, Voyager or even ENTERPRISE) was all about do you....

Are you sure you read teacake's post first before hitting the Quote button? Your reply reads as if it were in response to the opposite of what she wrote, or perhaps intended to answer another post entirely.

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

Sorry, where do you get "non-cerebral" out of a post which begins "I'm always complaining about too much action"? You're not simply off the mark with this; it seems you've missed the target altogether.

Sorry. you too are far off the mark...yes Star Trek had action but it also was dramatic. I didn't see the "drama" or a story that "pulled" me into the characters in "XI" and I half expect not to see any of that in the next feature due to the "action" factor.

Then why do you care what they do??

 

[Captain Mike]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

I think the next film should lighten up on the action and be more of a chick flick, like Thelma and Louise.

oh that is so funny....NOT

 

[Captain Mike]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

Are you sure you read teacake's post first before hitting the Quote button? Your reply reads as if it were in response to the opposite of what she wrote, or perhaps intended to answer another post entirely.

Sorry, where do you get "non-cerebral" out of a post which begins "I'm always complaining about too much action"? You're not simply off the mark with this; it seems you've missed the target altogether.

Sorry. you too are far off the mark...yes Star Trek had action but it also was dramatic. I didn't see the "drama" or a story that "pulled" me into the characters in "XI" and I half expect not to see any of that in the next feature due to the "action" factor.

Then why do you care what they do??

stay on topic..instead of attacking me,...yet again....

To answer your question if I like the reviews I will be "interested". If not....well, just like "XI", I won't see it in the theater....

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Is it too much to hope that they'll cut back the action in the seq

EDIT: I forgot,...that is too effing boring for you "non-cerebral" folk...

Sorry, where do you get "non-cerebral" out of a post which begins "I'm always complaining about too much action"? You're not simply off the mark with this; it seems you've missed the target altogether.

Sorry. you too are far off the mark.

Answer the question, please: where did you get "non-cerebral" out of that post?

Or never mind, I'll just save you the trouble and answer for you: you didn't, because it wasn't there. You were trying to bait, as you often have before, only this was a singularly inept attempt on your part. If baiting is your only reason for returning to this forum after a two-week absence—and the tone of your posts so far today have given me little reason to believe otherwise—then I'd strongly suggest you not bother.


And 6?

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You could save a lot of bandwidth by either posting something of substance or not posting at all.
Either way you will contribute more to the BBS by doing so.

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Then why do you care what they do??

Not helping.