Today's audiences would walk out if the film didn't have wall-to-wall action. Short attention spans.
Could they make a film like TMP again?
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Every movie? I don't think they walked out of Oppenheimer.
I think it depends on expectations. Star Trek nowadays needs to equal action, and the Kelvin movies have provided that, along with the live "action" TV shows.
I'm old-school and like the character stuff as much as the action, but movie audiences are a different beast.
I love TMP, it's in my top tier of Star Trek films, but I don't believe they could get a film like TMP out the door today. That doesn't mean that it couldn't be made again, period. Right now there are niches of low budget, interesting films that are going to survive after the end of this unsustainable Super Mega Blockbuster phase that we might now be entering the final stages of.
For instance, Ex Machina is a contemplative, talky scifi film, and that cost a mere 15 million to make, despite its impressive vfx and well known actors. Perhaps once the big-franchise edifice comes crashing down, these Ex Machina-esque productions can be brought back to legacy scifi properties once more.
For instance, Ex Machina is a contemplative, talky scifi film, and that cost a mere 15 million to make, despite its impressive vfx and well known actors. Perhaps once the big-franchise edifice comes crashing down, these Ex Machina-esque productions can be brought back to legacy scifi properties once more.
Im all for a more cerebral Denis Villeneuve Hard Sci Fi Trek movie. Trek always was best when entertainment mixed with Hard Sci Fi concepts. Many people forget to understand, that this was the concept which made Star Trek popular in the first place.
Hard Sci Fi movies are rare, but most of the top Sci Fi movies of all time belong to this category (2001, Close Encounters, Metropolis etc). And i firmly believe that intelligent movies can still make money of they are executed well.
With Marvel and Star Wars we already have two big high action sci-fi franchises. Star Trek needs a different approach…
Hard Sci Fi movies are rare, but most of the top Sci Fi movies of all time belong to this category (2001, Close Encounters, Metropolis etc). And i firmly believe that intelligent movies can still make money of they are executed well.
With Marvel and Star Wars we already have two big high action sci-fi franchises. Star Trek needs a different approach…
Chris Pine said it best when he said Star Trek shouldn't be aiming for MCU money, but that's unfortunately their target.
Star Trek and Hard Sci FI don't mix very well. It's very nature often runs counter to that. And it's definitely not what made Star Trek popular. It doesn't have to be Hard Sci Fi to be intelligent, thoughtful and give a message. Trek managed that with out ever going "Hard".
Before that, they were chasing Star Wars money. Trek always has tried to run with the big boys, mostly ending in failure.
The director doesn't matter when the studio says "chase the MCU money".
It starts at the top, only way it will change. Maybe the new acquisition will help, who knows.
I think that is the main issue. A TMP story can clearly be done and be well received by Trek fans, as shown by DIS S4.
But making something for streaming that also stretched out for 10 episodes isn't the same thing as making something for theatres that's only 2-3 hours long and where the box office matters.
The difference there is, viewers didn't expect a movie like Oppenheimer to have non-stop action. They settled for the occasional nuclear bomb shot, and were satisfied with that.
Trek is different, because it's sci-fi. Everybody expects sci-fi to have all action and nothing else. Sci-fi fans have the attention spans of a
ing fruit fly. THAT's why a TMP-like Trek film would not work anymore.
Is it really sci-fi fans or have regular moviegoers learned to expect SF = Action?
My advice: if you're going to watch TMP, watch it on the largest screen you can get access to. Having finally seen it on the big screen in 2019, it makes a big difference, pardon the pun.
That said, now I'm trying to imagine Star Trek by Terrence Malick. I've seen three of his films and each of them has both intrigued me and given me headaches.
That said, now I'm trying to imagine Star Trek by Terrence Malick. I've seen three of his films and each of them has both intrigued me and given me headaches.
While that’s true, I’ve always wished for a Star Trek movie or series that was hard sf. TMP isn’t hard sf, but it’s about the closest they ever got. I’d honestly like to see a Trek story where the astronautic details actually matter, but I don’t expect to see one.
Yes. It was described as a action/adventure show in the TOS bible.
TOS was more of an action show...when they had the budget to show the space battles on screen
Kirk Fu is action. Hand phasers are action. Wresting a guy in a rubber suit is action.TOS was more of an action show...when they had the budget to show the space battles on screen
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