Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

[Whizkid]

And Doctor Who. Yes. Of course. I apologise. It's just that...Star Trek is... unassailable. If my nieces are to be believed.

 

[LadyGayle]

The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits say hi.

Forbidden Planet and Flash Gordon would like a word as well.

 

[BillJ]

If my nieces are to be believed.

Nieces are never wrong!

 

[HotRod]

If Star Trek has gone the Star Wars way, it's not because of those who love it. And still do. I raise you a "Measure of a Man" and show me anything better in Star Wars. Or even half as good. Show me a Nerys, Quark, Mariner, Phlox, EMH, and especially Weyoun/Shran/Brunt. And these are specifically supporting characters.

Andor is better than pretty much anything Trek has done, and I say that as someone who will always love Star Trek far more than Star Wars.

 

[1001001]

Andor is better than pretty much anything Trek has done, and I say that as someone who will always love Star Trek far more than Star Wars.

The Mandalorian was pretty great too. I’m looking forward to the movie.

ST 2-6, I’ve seen all of them about 49 times.

 

[fireproof78]

do. I raise you a "Measure of a Man" and show me anything better in Star Wars

Andor.

But Trek started it all.

Forbidden Planet says hi. Plus multiple other shows.

Show me a Nerys, Quark, Mariner, Phlox, EMH, and especially Weyoun/Shran/Brunt

Eh, 50/50 on those characters. Anyone played by Combs is a pass for me

 

[Whizkid]

Well. At least Star Trek isn't dead. Just look at your responses. I've proved my point. I'm home.

I really like Star Trek. I've watched every episode/film at least 20 times. I'm distraught. Because I can't decide between TNG and DS9. I can quote.

What you need to realise Data, is the super-question. In this day/age/yug of AI (which ST always predicted) how do we survive?

Not like idiots. My nieces names are Annika and Bhoomika. They are TNG.

 

[BillJ]

I really like Star Trek. I've watched every episode/film at least 20 times. I'm distraught. Because I can't decide between TNG and DS9.

Why do you have to choose?

 

[Whizkid]

I want to tell 1001001.

You just quoted Charles Dickens! "The tale of two cities."

Thank goodness for Picard!

 

[Whizkid]

I have to apologise. I thought Star Trek was enough. Stupid me. I'm going to watch andor now. I'll tell you what i think of it.

 

[BillJ]

Andor is better than pretty much anything Trek has done, and I say that as someone who will always love Star Trek far more than Star Wars.

I desperately wanted to like Andor. Unfortunately, it put me to sleep.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Andor's first arc doesn't have much of a hook to it, it kind of floats around between different characters as they're all doing their separate things and personally I found there wasn't anything catching my interest. In fact I was about to drop the series myself until my friend talked me into sticking with it.

But for me it really picked up around the middle of season 1, when it got more focused, and I started to see why it was getting so much hype. It's not unusual to dislike the first few episodes and enjoy the rest of it.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Aldhani heist mini-arc of about three episodes is the slowest part of both seasons for me, but when the show ends up on Narkina 5....[*Chef's Kiss*]

Peak Disney Star Wars content.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I desperately wanted to like Andor. Unfortunately, it put me to sleep.

A different protagonist would have probably helped.

 

[Shawnster]

I raise you a "Measure of a Man" and show me anything better in Star Wars.

Andor.

I think I might disagree on the comparison here. Sorta like comparing apples to bananas. "Measure of a Man" is not comparable to "Andor." It's a different thing entirely. Cerebral. Philosophical. A story about the right to exist. Star Wars does not do philosophical or deep thinking.

I'd compare "Andor" to DS9. Or to the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. The grim realities of oppression and the evils that push ordinary citizens to rise up and fight an evil Empire. Not much in the way of philosophy. Instead it's the emotions of the here and now and more personal dealings on trauma and suffering. The selling of your soul in exchange for a sunrise you'll never see.

 

[Set Harth]

The Aldhani heist mini-arc of about three episodes is the slowest part of both seasons for me,

Yeah, at first I thought Aldhani was going to be over in one episode. But I will say that episode 6 of S1 had a much better ending than episode 6 of S2.

but when the show ends up on Narkina 5....[*Chef's Kiss*]

Peak Disney Star Wars content.

With the added bonus of Serkis... who really should have learned how to swim.

 

[fireproof78]

I think I might disagree on the comparison here. Sorta like comparing apples to bananas. "Measure of a Man" is not comparable to "Andor." It's a different thing entirely. Cerebral. Philosophical. A story about the right to exist. Star Wars does not do philosophical or deep thinking.

I'd compare "Andor" to DS9. Or to the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. The grim realities of oppression and the evils that push ordinary citizens to rise up and fight an evil Empire. Not much in the way of philosophy. Instead it's the emotions of the here and now and more personal dealings on trauma and suffering. The selling of your soul in exchange for a sunrise you'll never see.

I disagree on Star Wars lacking depth. As you said, it's doing it differently but not less deep. If one lacks the right to exist one has no reason to fight.

 

[drt]

I certainly don't think some segments of the fandom deserve their Legacy show, after some of the behaviour i've seen online about SFA (not on here, but on other sites i've seen some pretty toxic things said about SFA and its young cast).

The funny thing is that Legacy was a fantasy they built up in their heads, they would have hated the actual product, because the fundamentals on paper are almost exactly the same as SFA, just 700 years earlier.

 

[TRON JA307020]

What made Star Trek a wonderful thing to encounter when it was originally being made is that on a given week it felt like it could turn out to be anything - you get a comedy this week, a character drama next week, a shoot-em-up in outer space sometimes and a symbolic morality play others.

We'd watch the "Next Week" trailers at the end of the episodes and go WTF? trying to figure them out in advance.

Like Forest Gump's mama told him: Box of chocolates to the stars.

Exacerbated by the complete lack of advance spoiler availability or press summaries other than the TV Guide paragraph, of course.

Of course, the original doesn't play that way now - its tone feels mannered and prosaic by current standards. But all the reincarnations of it, including Roddenberry's own, have played it safe by working to find a groove that the producers felt made it grown-up, respectable TV - those adjectives were used at various times by several EPs. They just were petrified of looking silly. And when they find that groove, they deliver it week after week after week like a can of Campbell's soup.

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What the Hell, I thought this was a show about space exploration?

The IP's off-the-wall storytelling potential has been largely ignored. In fact SNW is the only successor where the producers get that aspect of Star Trek as a core facet of its identity.* They've brought it back in ways that none of their predecessors ever have (at least, for more than a stray hour or two).

At least Starfleet Academy did a decent job of bringing some upbeat energy and a sense of playfulness to their new setting; apparently the influence of the carried-over STD staffers was not dispositive where the overall tone was concerned.

*Though almost everyone who's done a parody or pastiche of Trek leans into exactly this. Almost as if it's a signature of the franchise.

I played them all at once. Very relaxing..lol

 

[I am not Spock]

Andor bored me to tears.

Wars has nothing on the level of Inner Light, or Measure of a Man, for me