References of what?
Is It Time for a Bold New Star Trek Paradigm?
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All the things that happened in the 24th century. The state of the Klingons, Dominion, and various characters or past events.
They just need to do what they did with TOS/TNG: jump forward in time. New crew. New ship. Make occasional but rare enough to be impactful references to the past. Can happen in the Milky Way (it's huge). Retcon things that were/are bad and dumb (The Burn, the ugly-ass E-J, etc). Boom. Show.
The paradigm isn't the problem. The paradigm is mildly topical space adventures. The problem is that they pigeonhole themselves into bookended time frames that require them to bend over backwards to avoid upsetting canon/continuity, and when they try to free themselves from it there is backlash. It's lose-lose.
The economics are hard; studios are much more reluctant to take a risk like this but at some point they'll need to. What I *think* they'll do is just remake TOS. Which I'll like and watch but it'll feel like not maximizing the potential of the franchise.
The paradigm isn't the problem. The paradigm is mildly topical space adventures. The problem is that they pigeonhole themselves into bookended time frames that require them to bend over backwards to avoid upsetting canon/continuity, and when they try to free themselves from it there is backlash. It's lose-lose.
The economics are hard; studios are much more reluctant to take a risk like this but at some point they'll need to. What I *think* they'll do is just remake TOS. Which I'll like and watch but it'll feel like not maximizing the potential of the franchise.
What about a series from a different point of view? Not a retcon, but stories taken from a different perspective. For example, a show centered around the Klingons or the Romulans with the Federation as the "antagonist" of the plot.
Bryan Fuller tried it with his original concept of Star Trek: Discovery (He wanted it to be something akin to Game of Thrones, with the various Klingon houses fighting each other for supremacy.)
This is my larger thought as well. To do something new means risking backlash. In a time of economic uncertainty that's a risk they won't want to take.
Sadly every show has made references to past shows. Disco was 800+ years from TNG and they made a Data reference.
Picard season 3 dealt with issues/characters from the past but as far as I know they didn't make references to TOS, SNW/ Disco or Ent. Though I do know they referenced TOS in season 2.
So I don't think it really matters when it's set. They will probably still make the occasional reference if they think the story requires it. It doesn't bother me. As long as they are not making references or have characters from that shows future.
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Picard's third season has a reference to Section 31 reanimating Kirk's corpse, we see the HMS Bounty Klingon BoP from TVH and the current Federation President is Pavel Chekov's son. As for Enterprise references. the Frontier Day holiday is the anniversary of the NX-01's launch, and the NX-01 is also seen at the Starfleet Museum.
Yeah I forgot about the NX model. But that's ok because it fits. Also season 2 referenced TOS and Season 3 wrath of Kahn. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with those references. I don't know why some people do. It doesn't need them though.
That's basically the Worf show pitch.
Must not have watched Season 3 which was thick with references.
I do think it matters because the temptation to use references will be too much the closer they are to events. The demand from fans doubly so if Picard discussions were any indication.
I just said Season three made references but no references to TOS, SNW or disco that I remember. Most of the references dealt with the storyline. Season 2 of Picard yes. If anything SNW and Disco are worse. SNW is referencing stuff from before its time. (Holodeck, Trelane) They have used actual footage of TOS for a last time on Star trek. They have totally mined older shows for stuff. Disco had a whole season dedicated to continuing a TNG storyline.
All the shows do it. Some well some not so well.
Agreed that they are reference heavy which is why I don't want a 25th century show.
We saw a Constitution class ship in Season 3, plus the Botany Bay from the films. Discovery I'll grant I didn't see any references.
Well Discovery mentioned Data, had the Enterprise, pike, Spock, etc ....
I agree that those references add up to a bit much. I'm less charitable towards them. A 25th century show would face the same temptations for references so I'd prefer not being in that century or at least not until the latter part of the century.
Right.
Thank you!
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