Is Ensign Kim the whiniest character ever?
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They sexed FINALLY in a subplot that had built up over several continents (as I recall, Italy was in it). They she left for her away mission and Peter David killed her. Chak fell into the emo pit for the several books. Then she was resurrected!
NOT.DEAD.
And they started getting to know each other again. I haven't read the latest book so I don't know if the sexing has begun again, someone else can hopefully inform.
I just started the latest one. Was reading some DS9 books so I'm a bit behind. So far so good.
None of them.
Might be sound advice, Guy. I admit I don't have much interest in the new arc. aka books. someone just PM me the j/C and cool Janeway highlights LoL nah, that's not fair. It's a lazy request. I just keep catching a glance here and there but people either don't want to spoil or are to the point.
You want a VOY book?
Unfortunately for the J/C folk you had to watch her die before you got to the actual J/C parts, the one night of pre-death consummation notwithstanding.
Even more unfortunately for the J/7 folk we are still waiting.
If you want really good Treklit I can tell you my recommendations that don't take place in the middle of a mulit-long book series.
Unfortunately for the J/C folk you had to watch her die before you got to the actual J/C parts, the one night of pre-death consummation notwithstanding.
Even more unfortunately for the J/7 folk we are still waiting.
If you want really good Treklit I can tell you my recommendations that don't take place in the middle of a mulit-long book series.
These are my personal Greats:
DS9:
Terok Nor: Day of the Vipers by James Swallow. The first of a trilogy the book is stand alone. The young Gul Dukat machinates his rise to power as the occupation of Bajor begins with insidious overtures of goods and friendship to the corruptable Bajor ruling class be they priest or politician. We see this through their eyes and through the eyes of characters who are regular Bajoran people. My favorite Trek book.
A Stitch in Time by Andrew Robinson. Garak's biography, written by the actor that played him. Considered one of Treklit's greats for good reason. Gripping and believable portrayal of Cardassian society with its almost medieval social mores. Difficult to find now, if you ever see it grab it!
VOY:
Mosaic by Jeri Taylor. Janeway's biography! A great and interesting read, a must read for any Janeway fan. Considered canon in some parts by some people, events in the book are referenced in the show itself as it is written by the creative brain and co producer of VOY.
Pathways by Jeri Taylor. This is everyone else's biographies, told via a contrived "we are trapped in an alien death camp let's all share" framework. Even the characters I didn't care for when I read this had great stories and background. Very interesting and enjoyable read.
Homecoming and The Farthest Shore by Christie Golden. These are the first two books of VOY relaunch, Homecoming begins like five minutes after Endgame concludes. Quick reads and light they have authentic voices of the characters (if you've read Treklit where this is not the case this is a big deal
). They are fun and you can read them without continuing on into the multi book sagas that follow. They deal with the crew's adjustment but also immediately jump into a new story. The books that follow these two I thought were woeful and having read Golden in another fandom (Warcraft) it seems she comes out of the gate running and then just gets sloppier and shoddier writing and ideas with each subsequent novel. I've reread these first two a couple times.
I have other ones I liked (the next two in the Terok Nor trilogy are fine books) but these would all be great to start with in Treklit. If you are interested in the Eugenics wars the story of Khan as told by Greg Cox has several books to it which are great too, quite long.
DS9:
Terok Nor: Day of the Vipers by James Swallow. The first of a trilogy the book is stand alone. The young Gul Dukat machinates his rise to power as the occupation of Bajor begins with insidious overtures of goods and friendship to the corruptable Bajor ruling class be they priest or politician. We see this through their eyes and through the eyes of characters who are regular Bajoran people. My favorite Trek book.
A Stitch in Time by Andrew Robinson. Garak's biography, written by the actor that played him. Considered one of Treklit's greats for good reason. Gripping and believable portrayal of Cardassian society with its almost medieval social mores. Difficult to find now, if you ever see it grab it!
VOY:
Mosaic by Jeri Taylor. Janeway's biography! A great and interesting read, a must read for any Janeway fan. Considered canon in some parts by some people, events in the book are referenced in the show itself as it is written by the creative brain and co producer of VOY.
Pathways by Jeri Taylor. This is everyone else's biographies, told via a contrived "we are trapped in an alien death camp let's all share" framework. Even the characters I didn't care for when I read this had great stories and background. Very interesting and enjoyable read.
Homecoming and The Farthest Shore by Christie Golden. These are the first two books of VOY relaunch, Homecoming begins like five minutes after Endgame concludes. Quick reads and light they have authentic voices of the characters (if you've read Treklit where this is not the case this is a big deal
). They are fun and you can read them without continuing on into the multi book sagas that follow. They deal with the crew's adjustment but also immediately jump into a new story. The books that follow these two I thought were woeful and having read Golden in another fandom (Warcraft) it seems she comes out of the gate running and then just gets sloppier and shoddier writing and ideas with each subsequent novel. I've reread these first two a couple times.I have other ones I liked (the next two in the Terok Nor trilogy are fine books) but these would all be great to start with in Treklit. If you are interested in the Eugenics wars the story of Khan as told by Greg Cox has several books to it which are great too, quite long.
Oh and I'm not a shipper per se either. The only ships I have had a passing interest in are J/7 and Trip/T'Pol. Of course I am big time K/S but that is for the sex not the angst.
I thought Bashir and Ezri were very sweet and believable but I don't actually care about them.
Treklit is very terrible in general at writing romance. Like throw the book against the wall terrible. Thankfully there are plenty of massive wars in it to interrupt all that nonsense.
I thought Bashir and Ezri were very sweet and believable but I don't actually care about them.
Treklit is very terrible in general at writing romance. Like throw the book against the wall terrible. Thankfully there are plenty of massive wars in it to interrupt all that nonsense.
I like Kirsten Beyer's books, but I have a tendency to ship J/C. They definitely keep me reading though, not even for the J/C. The thing is though, like you mentioned, TrekLit has evolved into one giant storyline so you kind of have to keep up with whats going on.
When I started reading VOY books, I started with the standalones like "Mosaic", "Pathways", and the others. Then I went into the relaunch novels "Homecoming" --> "Acts of Contrition". I would probably suggest to anyone to read those standalone ones first and obviously if they want to do the relaunch series, to start at the beginning and do it in order, but to keep in mind it takes into account the larger "TrekLit" story.
"Mosaic" was awesome. I loved learning more about Janeway. But I like the depth of the more recent novels too.
For DS9, I had fun reading "A Stitch in Time" and "The Lives of Dax" recently! I love that Andrew Robinson wrote Garak's story.
When I started reading VOY books, I started with the standalones like "Mosaic", "Pathways", and the others. Then I went into the relaunch novels "Homecoming" --> "Acts of Contrition". I would probably suggest to anyone to read those standalone ones first and obviously if they want to do the relaunch series, to start at the beginning and do it in order, but to keep in mind it takes into account the larger "TrekLit" story.
"Mosaic" was awesome. I loved learning more about Janeway. But I like the depth of the more recent novels too.
For DS9, I had fun reading "A Stitch in Time" and "The Lives of Dax" recently! I love that Andrew Robinson wrote Garak's story.
BTW Catarina if you have an e-book reader, it's so much easier to find the Trek novels. My local bookstores didn't have any copies of "A Stitch in Time" but on my book reader I got it for 8 bucks instantly. 
They might have copies on Amazon though.
They might have copies on Amazon though.
Sometimes I wonder if all the J/7 shippers really believe there is any story justification for it, or if they openly admit it's pure male wish fulfillment. 
I am not a male.
Adm Hawthorne converted me to J/7 here lo these many years ago.
Adm Hawthorne converted me to J/7 here lo these many years ago.
I'm not a guy and I am not opposed to J/7 at all. Those two had a serious bond. I really believe Janeway would have done whatever it took to save Seven.
The classic comment when people say "but it was a maternal relationship" is "if my mother ever looked at ME like that 
.."
And it's true.
.."And it's true.
