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Is Disney "Star Wars" universe imploding?

Yes, including the power to fight Sith wannabes from the other side of the galaxy!

I was just about to edit my post to suggest that such a thing couldn't happen because we'd never seen it before. I mean, we know everything about a mystical energy field that binds the galaxy together in seven movies. Anything that is introduced after that must be a lie.

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I remember our first year on BT back in the day, that was terrible out here before the big fibre update.
 
Luke was handed a weapon, called as such by Obi-Wan, who implied it to be one of more dangerous things Luke could ever hold.

He immediately found the appeture, brought it up to his head, and aimed it at his face, with his fingers on the controls.

Hand someone a gun who *knows* it's a gun, and it they turn it towards their own face with their thumb on the trigger, you know everything you need to about them.
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You assumed wrong. Remember when Yoda said "too old to begin the training!"? Remember when Luke got his ass kicked trying to saber fight Vader in Empire? And that was after he at least got SOME training from Yoda, unlike Rey who was swinging the saber around with none.
Yoda was basing that on statement on the training established by the Jedi council and was likely talking about the training that involved controlling emotions rather than how to use the force directly. Remember, despite being "too old to begin the training" Luke was able to defeat Vader (in ROTJ) with little more than a few days training (plus presumably some ongoing practice by himself). So clearly Yoda was wrong about him being too old.

And I'd say that the key difference between Luke and Rey in their respective movies is less the amount of force training they've had and more about their respective fighting skills. Luke grew up on a farm and had little (if any) fighting experience. Rey was established as being a good fighter even without the force. Vader was at full strength when fighting Luke and had him in a location that he had set up, knew, and could use to his advantage. Kylo Ren was seriously injured when fighting Rey and in a neutral location.
 
Only vaguely contemporary singer I could remember the name of ;). I just possibly might be a little out of date with my musical tastes.

I was Raiders of the Lost Ark-Ing it.

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I don’t mind Beyoncé. Not really my thing but I don’t mind her.
 
Yoda was basing that on statement on the training established by the Jedi council and was likely talking about the training that involved controlling emotions rather than how to use the force directly. Remember, despite being "too old to begin the training" Luke was able to defeat Vader (in ROTJ) with little more than a few days training (plus presumably some ongoing practice by himself). So clearly Yoda was wrong about him being too old.

And I'd say that the key difference between Luke and Rey in their respective movies is less the amount of force training they've had and more about their respective fighting skills. Luke grew up on a farm and had little (if any) fighting experience. Rey was established as being a good fighter even without the force. Vader was at full strength when fighting Luke and had him in a location that he had set up, knew, and could use to his advantage. Kylo Ren was seriously injured when fighting Rey and in a neutral location.
Vader was toying with Luke, he's basically just blocking him the whole fight, only getting mad when Luke hits his arm with the lightsaber.
 
Vader even held his lightsaber in only one hand, if he wanted to kill Luke he had only to swing with more force
 
Luke grew up on a farm and had little (if any) fighting experience. Rey was established as being a good fighter even without the force.

You've got a point about Rey using the staff, although as the movie played out I did not draw a connection between that and her lightsaber skills (let alone the scene where Finn wields it which was ridiculous). I also don't think the staff usage compares to the years of formal training Kylo Ren received in all things Jedi from Luke before he broke away. Kylo had the clear advantage. It also doesn't explain her immediate ability to use of force persuasion.

It seemed as though TFA was setting up a mystery box to eventually explain why it all came so easily and that maybe it was a lineage thing (which I don't particularly like) but then that was discarded by Rian Johnson.

I think Star Wars has always been sort of of two minds about setting up chosen ones based on blood lines (the Anakin midichlorians and virgin birth thing was the worst) vs. more of an anyone can be a Jedi if you just believe hard enough attitude ala the broom scene at the end of Last Jedi.

The only reason the blood line element makes sense is it gives the franchise more of an old world fantasy feel ala only Arthur being able to pull the sword from the stone, but there's no denying that it feels elitist. That a chosen one might temporarily be stuck growing up in a backwater doesn't change the fact he or she has special lineage.

I think the tonal shift from TFA->TLJ really exposes that confusion as to what Star Wars wants to say about the force.
 
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