Is Disney "Star Wars" universe imploding?

[JD]

She also just had Kylo digging around in her head, so that probably gave her a pretty good idea of how the use the Force to effect peoples' minds.
As for the training, I could see it being one of those things where at least some of it is working to enhance abilities that are already there. The abilities are already there naturally, and the training just allows the Jedi to use them to their full potential.

 

[Qonundrum]

My 2 cents:

I've seen all but "Solo" and will see that one eventually (home video).

TFA had some character archetypes changed but was otherwise empty fanservice.

"Rogue One" is a f/x masterpiece but expands nothing on the lore, only regurgitating what was already said adequately in ANH as fanservice with a fanwanky, uncharacteristically hyperactive Darth Vader at the end. And in-universe data storage technology that is superior to what ANH alluded to.

TLJ is trying to do more than regurgitate kindergarten stories but needing another edit to smooth out rough pints in the film. Heck, make it longer if the longer version is more coherent, a lot of the deleted scenes needed to not have been deleted in the first place. It did go to the decanonized novels and comics for inspiration on Force powers, some of which could have been introduced more clearly in the film to eliminate the rightful criticisms of "Now this is just lazy magic, also how can he project himself across the universe blah blah blah blah blah". DJ is easily the best character Disney's movies have put out so far. Benicio Del Toro was a coup as far as I'm concerned and he as DJ needs to return.

"Solo", from what I had read, gives the implication of cool ideas such as Qi'Ra and Maul being Rey's parents. But Young Han isn't (allegedly) presented in a way that makes him into how he was in ANH/TESB/ROTJ where his personal epiphany takes place. Maybe the intention was to have a sequel. But if the Kessel Run was that (allegedly) lame and how Solo got his name was (allegedly) lame, etc, complete with fanservice that does nothing for anyone.) Someone online suggested L337 was actually a subtle attack against "SJWs", though when I see the movie in full context if L337 is anything regarding SJWs or is just another comic relief droid for nothing more than an attempt at comedy...

Disney is clearly onto something and some things, but are they rushing the scripts while having to juggle what die-hard fans want along with everything else?

 

[fireproof78]

But Young Han isn't (allegedly) presented in a way that makes him into how he was in ANH/TESB/ROTJ where his personal epiphany takes place.

I find this allegation to be specious, at best.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I find this allegation to be specious, at best.

Well, it's made by someone who admits he hasn't seen the film, so....

 

[Jedi_Master]

Well, it's made by someone who admits he hasn't seen the film, so....

The folks who haven't seen a film/show produce the most reliable criticism. How could they be biased? They haven't even SEEN the film/show!

 

[fireproof78]

Well, it's made by someone who admits he hasn't seen the film, so....

Fair point.

The folks who haven't seen a film/show produce the most reliable criticism. How could they be biased? They haven't even SEEN the film/show!

Cleary they are unbiased in their criticism. There are not even those meddlesome facts to get in the way

 

[Tuskin38]

uncharacteristically hyperactive Darth Vader

I disagree.

 

[Qonundrum]

I disagree.

Why?

My reasoning behind writing that is because, in RO, he's jumping all over the corridor flinging his lightsaber around and force-slamming and choking everyone as if he just popped a ton of uppers. He's almost on par with Ren with what looks like a tantrum-induced rage...

ANH, which happens not-too-long after RO but long enough for Vader to catch his breath back, has Vader being calm, collected, being quite controlled in just force-choking one person, much slower with his lightsaber and in a more emotionally tight fight against Old Ben Kenner Toy Obi Wan Kenobi, and his voice sounds a bit different. And never once did the audience get the impression he had emotional issues of the sort Ren had.

In terms of direct continuity, RO/ANH just feels convoluted and manages to create more questions than what it's attempting to solve and ANH told enough exposition that RO needed to explain pretty much nothing in the first place, it's just trying to be fanservice, as if the filmmakers bought all the Kenner toys in 1977 and imagined out the same thing. Only with newer technology written in that upends both movies in the end.

 

[Qonundrum]

Well, it's made by someone who admits he hasn't seen the film, so....

Precisely. I admitted as such and when I see the film, I'll readily admit the differences between now and then, especially where I was incorrect or misperceived.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Why?

My reasoning behind writing that is because, in RO, he's jumping all over the corridor flinging his lightsaber around and force-slamming and choking everyone as if he just popped a ton of uppers. He's almost on par with Ren with what looks like a tantrum-induced rage...

ANH, which happens not-too-long after RO but long enough for Vader to catch his breath back, has Vader being calm, collected, being quite controlled in just force-choking one person, much slower with his lightsaber and in a more emotionally tight fight against Old Ben Kenner Toy Obi Wan Kenobi, and his voice sounds a bit different. And never once did the audience get the impression he had emotional issues of the sort Ren had.

In terms of direct continuity, RO/ANH just feels convoluted and manages to create more questions than what it's attempting to solve and ANH told enough exposition that RO needed to explain pretty much nothing in the first place, it's just trying to be fanservice, as if the filmmakers bought all the Kenner toys in 1977 and imagined out the same thing. Only with newer technology written in that upends both movies in the end.

Um. In R1 he's mowing through a bunch of nobody scrubs. In ANH he's facing off against the guy who put him in the suit. It seems pretty reasonable he'd be calm and cautious with the latter.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The problem with Vader in Rogue One has nothing to do with the action. His fight is perfectly fine with the rest of the franchise and most suitably intimidating. He just completely steals the spotlight away from the actual stars of the movie right in the middle of the literal climax of the story. Fanwank to the point of no longer caring about the story being told.

 

[fireproof78]

The problem with Vader in Rogue One has nothing to do with the action. His fight is perfectly fine with the rest of the franchise and most suitably intimidating. He just completely steals the spotlight away from the actual stars of the movie right in the middle of the literal climax of the story. Fanwank to the point of no longer caring about the story being told.

Pretty much defines fanwank. And it's frustrating because in the big dramatic moment of the R1 crew having their final stands, we get Vader. Also, Leia's protests in ANH feel very hollow.

 

[LJones41]

She also just had Kylo digging around in her head, so that probably gave her a pretty good idea of how the use the Force to effect peoples' minds.

Every time I read something like this, in regard to Rey's lightsaber skills, I want to scream in frustration.

The problem with Vader in Rogue One has nothing to do with the action. His fight is perfectly fine with the rest of the franchise and most suitably intimidating. He just completely steals the spotlight away from the actual stars of the movie right in the middle of the literal climax of the story.

I don't agree with this comment. By the time Vader has his big action scene, the actual stars are dead.

 

[fireproof78]

Every time I read something like this, in regard to Rey's lightsaber skills, I want to scream in frustration.

Even though that comment was regarding Rey's ability to influence minds?

I think Rey's combat prowess speaks for itself.

 

[LJones41]

Even though that comment was regarding Rey's ability to influence minds?

I think Rey's combat prowess speaks for itself.

I think it's bad writing.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Every time I read something like this, in regard to Rey's lightsaber skills, I want to scream in frustration.



I don't agree with this comment. By the time Vader has his big action scene, the actual stars are dead.

Which should've been the end of the climax. Tacking on a big action scene for Vader is blatantly undermining the gravitas of their deaths.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it's bad writing.

You're welcome to think so.

Which should've been the end of the climax. Tacking on a big action scene for Vader is blatantly undermining the gravitas of their deaths.

This. The fact that we become so transfixed on Vader's antics and his scene, takes away from the deaths of the main characters and hurries to story along and basically rushes it right in to ANH.

 

[USS Firefly]

I thought the Darth Vader scènes where great, especially after everyone of the team died, everything was possible.
I even almost thought that Vader was going to get the plans.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought the Darth Vader scènes where great, especially after everyone of the team died, everything was possible.
I even almost thought that Vader was going to get the plans.

Hey, and then we would have another SW movie to complain about with regards to a theme about failure.

 

[Tuskin38]

Why?

Because he's acted like that in the comics, novels and video games, both in the new canon and old.

None of the situations he's in, maybe aside from the Hoth scenes in ESB, does he have a reason to act like that.

In Rogue One he was a in a hurry to get what ever transmissions were beamed from Scarif, ANH he wasn't in a hurry, the ship was secure in his ship.

Also he never jumps in RO, and he walks fast, he doesn't run. Almost everything he does is with the force.

Anyways, I see nothing in this scene that I would describe 'hyperactive'. There is more action in the PT fights then this.

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