Is Discovery the most polarizing Trek property ever?

[Noname Given]

My point in the post about Axanar was that their approach to the TOS era was far more respectful and in line with Trek canon than STD. You could tell Robert Meyer Burnett knew his material. If an approach like that came from an officially sanctioned Trek series, I doubt there would be as heavy of a viewer and fan divide as their is with STD.

Scrolling through the Youtube comments on the 3.4M viewed Prelude to Axanar trailer, many agree with me.

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Sorry, but no, it really wasn't. GR wasn't that keen on showcasing the 'Military' aspect of Star Trek - yet that's EXACTLY what Prelude to Axanar does. Same with the finalized script. It's more about the military aspects and ship hardware then it is about any aspect of the Human condition. Garth is a classic 'Gary Stu' type character. He pretty easily tackles all any/all obstacles put before his without breaking a sweat.

Axanar also uses designs from the JJ Verse (which a number of Trek fans don't really care for. Hell, a good number of the effects shots are nearly 1 for 1 ripoffs (composition wise) directly from "Star Trek: Into Darkness"; so they are even LESS original and stealing on a creative front AS WELL as attempting to profit monetarily directly from the Star Trek IP illegally.

So yeah - sorry - but I don't see the "Respect for Star Trek" you're talking about.

 

[Kane_Steel]

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Sorry, but no, it really wasn't. GR wasn't that keen on showcasing the 'Military' aspect of Star Trek - yet that's EXACTLY what Prelude to Axanar does. Same with the finalized script. It's more about the military aspects and ship hardware then it is about any aspect of the Human condition. Garth is a classic 'Gary Stu' type character. He pretty easily tackles all any/all obstacles put before his without breaking a sweat.

Axanar also uses designs from the JJ Verse (which a number of Trek fans don't really care for. Hell, a good number of the effects shots are nearly 1 for 1 ripoffs (composition wise) directly from "Star Trek: Into Darkness"; so they are even LESS original and stealing on a creative front AS WELL as attempting to profit monetarily directly from the Star Trek IP illegally.

So yeah - sorry - but I don't see the "Respect for Star Trek" you're talking about.

I said it was far more respectful than STD. STD has gone full-blast with the military aspect to the point where the series is dark, demented, gloomy and gory. We even went as far as to spend nearly half the season in the Mirror verse and have the Captain revealed as a person from the MU.

Designs from the JJ verse are fine. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread, the 2009 film was the best modernization of the classic TOS done. It was respectful to the original and most importantly the general audience loved it.

As far as Garth, obviously if Axanar was a series he may not have been the main character... but for the purposes of a short fanfilm, he isn't much of a Gary Stu, considering he is destined to have a major falling from grace after being brutally injured.

He's essentially the Star Trek Captain version of;

The hero turned tragic villain. I hope one day we'll see a compelling villain again in Trek. Jason Isaacs is giving a strong performance, but the material is weak and him being a 'Evil' mirror baddy is a major letdown.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Ha, that's cold.

The bitterness towards Axanar on this board from people like you seems to be real. I wasn't around when all this happened but I've seen the coverage on YT.

My post had nothing to do with the economics of Axanar. I honestly don't care about who was profiting from what.

My point in the post about Axanar was that their approach to the TOS era was far more respectful and in line with Trek canon than STD. You could tell Robert Meyer Burnett knew his material. If an approach like that came from an officially sanctioned Trek series, I doubt there would be as heavy of a viewer and fan divide as their is with STD.

Scrolling through the Youtube comments on the 3.4M viewed Prelude to Axanar trailer, many agree with me.

Just read the Axanar movie script please. Because you really, really shouldn't be allowed to talk about how good Axanar is unless you've read it.

Prelude isn't much of an indicator, as the format is entirely different and all the top creative forces left once they realised what was really going on. The script I linked to is for the movie which Prelude is essentially an extended trailer for.

 

[CorporalClegg]

"Axanar."

Oh, please.

 

[fireproof78]

I said it was far more respectful than STD. STD has gone full-blast with the military aspect to the point where the series is dark, demented, gloomy and gory. We even went as far as to spend nearly half the season in the Mirror verse and have the Captain revealed as a person from the MU.

And is far more interesting for it.

 

[Spot261]

Really? TNG was fairly well liked by a large margin of Trek fans (and the general public too). Even those that didn't love it don't generally hate it.

They have come round over time and seven seasons of being proved wrong. At the time it was absolutely polarising. There's not much I can add to the entirely accurate descriptions above of open hostility at conventions and death threats. The difference now is that communication within the fanbase is so much easier and rapid. Social media has completely redefined the way we communicate, the speed, the range, the permanence. What in TNG's time was known only to those directly exposed the furore now is readily available. We can watch real time, engage on one side or the other from our living rooms, re read and quote what was said months before.

What would once have become the stuff of urban myth is now preserved with crystal clarity for the whole world to read at a moments notice.

 

[XCV330]

If you like Axanar so much make your own fan film 2 hour movie and.. oh wait you can't. Axanar destroyed all chance of that.

 

[CorporalClegg]

While I'm certainly warming to Disco, I still believe that, as a 2017 high-drama streaming series with its pedigree and budget, it's fairly underwhelming. But the idea that Axanar could achieve anything remotely on par is pretty fucking absurd.

 

[Vger23]

While I'm certainly warming to Disco, I still believe that, as a 2017 high-drama streaming series with its pedigree and budget, it's fairly underwhelming. But the idea that Axanar could achieve anything remotely on par is pretty fucking absurd.

I agree...but I think there was too much production turmoil for it to reach it's ultimate potential this first season. Right now, it's kind of caught between being a premium streaming-service drama and a typical network show.

Admittedly, as DCS is finding its legs, so is CBS with its philosophy on All Access programming...so it will only get better in that dimension.

 

[Vger23]

They have come round over time and seven seasons of being proved wrong. At the time it was absolutely polarising. There's not much I can add to the entirely accurate descriptions above of open hostility at conventions and death threats. The difference now is that communication within the fanbase is so much easier and rapid. Social media has completely redefined the way we communicate, the speed, the range, the permanence. What in TNG's time was known only to those directly exposed the furore now is readily available. We can watch real time, engage on one side or the other from our living rooms, re read and quote what was said months before.

What would once have become the stuff of urban myth is now preserved with crystal clarity for the whole world to read at a moments notice.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks TNG went off without a hitch with the fandom is either really young or was living under a rock in 1987.

 

[Krandor]

They have come round over time and seven seasons of being proved wrong. At the time it was absolutely polarising. There's not much I can add to the entirely accurate descriptions above of open hostility at conventions and death threats. The difference now is that communication within the fanbase is so much easier and rapid. Social media has completely redefined the way we communicate, the speed, the range, the permanence. What in TNG's time was known only to those directly exposed the furore now is readily available. We can watch real time, engage on one side or the other from our living rooms, re read and quote what was said months before.

That was there then too just in a different form. Then the discussions took place on usenet on rec.arts.startrek. The archives are still a available. Going back and re-reading some threads from when TNG was on can be quite enlightning.

 

[fireproof78]

If you like Axanar so much make your own fan film 2 hour movie and.. oh wait you can't. Axanar destroyed all chance of that.

Didn't you read. Copyright law is completely unjust and therefore must not be followed.

And I am certain there will be no repercussions from that...


*sighs*

While I'm certainly warming to Disco, I still believe that, as a 2017 high-drama streaming series with its pedigree and budget, it's fairly underwhelming. But the idea that Axanar could achieve anything remotely on par is pretty fucking absurd.

And yet, that's the fire that keeps that burning.

 

[Krandor]

Here is a blast from the past. A thread from 1990 during season 4 of TNG the season many people think is one of the best. The thread title "If you guys hate it so much why do you keep watching?" complaining about the group being way too negative and nitpicky about every single thing in TNG and why people that dislike it keep watching it. The idea that TNG was universally loved is from the standpoint of us many so many years away from it.

Here is the link. Interesting thread to go back and read. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.startrek/uwKsOAMHpFE

 

[Romulan_spy]

ENT was far more polarizing IMO. With ENT, you had the controversy over the new intro that used a rock song with lyrics for the first time ever, the many many canon (perceived and real) violations, and the sexing up of T'Pol just to name a few things off the top of my head. Fans freaked out over these things! The only real controversy over DISC is the change in tone and style that some feel doesn't match the canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Kids and their godless rock and roll! Keep that devil's music out of Star Trek!

 

[jaime]

I’ll say this for it...I am still watching. I couldn’t tell you what happened in ENT the episode after Broken Bow. Though I caught some on reruns and god knows I have tried to watch it on Netflix....which means I can also ‘remember’ about three other episodes.
I’m coming round to DSC Basically, but part of that is stages of life. I am past the going out to have fun stage, and watching TV is good staying in to have fun.
I think the fact I can discuss it on here keeps me paying attention...honestly, if there was no one else I talked to watching it, I don’t think I would be.

 

[BillJ]

I think the fact I can discuss it on here keeps me paying attention...honestly, if there was no one else I talked to watching it, I don’t think I would be.

I can agree with this sentiment. Discussions about it are part of what keeps me going.

 

[Spot261]

Is Discovery the most polarising trek show ever?

YES!!!!!

Prove it!

IT IS!!!!!

IT ISN'T!!!!!

YOU AREN'T A REAL FAN!!!!

NO YOU AREN'T A REAL FAN!!!!!

 

[Vger23]

Here is a blast from the past. A thread from 1990 during season 4 of TNG the season many people think is one of the best. The thread title "If you guys hate it so much why do you keep watching?" complaining about the group being way too negative and nitpicky about every single thing in TNG and why people that dislike it keep watching it. The idea that TNG was universally loved is from the standpoint of us many so many years away from it.

Here is the link. Interesting thread to go back and read. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.startrek/uwKsOAMHpFE

Wow...this sucks all my hope for humanity right out of my body. Hilarious!

 

[Gepard]

Here is a blast from the past. A thread from 1990 during season 4 of TNG the season many people think is one of the best. The thread title "If you guys hate it so much why do you keep watching?" complaining about the group being way too negative and nitpicky about every single thing in TNG and why people that dislike it keep watching it. The idea that TNG was universally loved is from the standpoint of us many so many years away from it.

Here is the link. Interesting thread to go back and read. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.startrek/uwKsOAMHpFE

I wonder how many of those people are still around, saying the same sorts of things 28 years later.