Is Deep Space Nine racist?

[jaime]

Oh my god, to live in a world where I didn't know about GamerGate, you have no idea how I envy you.

But to now drag you into this horrible reality with me: GamerGate was this huge harassment campaign of some female gamers, basically because they dared to be girls and play video games. The pretext to justify it was that this would somehow ensure ethics in video game journalism. There was something minimally interesting in trying to follow the justifications of the misogynists conducting the harassment, in that it's completely nonsensical, until you view it through the lens of video game rules and realize they've constructed a plot of a game -- the men behind it aren't just sexist, they also don't know anything about real life and just can't understand why real life would not unfold as a video game does. So then their behavior becomes not only awful and contemptible, but also pathetic and sad.

It's basically a bummer story that reminds you how lousy humans can be.

You're missing nuances about after it spread, and it was more about developers and games journalists than Girl gamers...but that more or less sums up the unpleasant kernel, before it snowballed and nastiness grew all around. Just more polarised political horridness. I sometimes wonder if bits of this current world are just that bored they turn to hatred for entertainment. And every last one a 'keyboard warrior'.
Lê sigh.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And you know who invented the word GamerGate in the first place?

Adam Baldwin.

Yes, that one.

 

[mikey2363]

I don't recall ever coming across the acronym before, but given context, I'd say it means "social justice warrior." mikey2623 apparently thinks that's a bad thing to be.

Its a very bad thing to be.

 

[mikey2363]

I don't think you'll find a whole lot of people here that will agree with you.

I think I'll leave this website to be honest. I thought it was a website for Star Trek fans but after reading through some of these threads its for little pansies.

 

[Nyotarules]

I've never actually managed to see Code of Honor, must not be a priority for syndication. Having read about it my understanding is that there is no racial instructions in the script, and the director inserted the African design theme. So my question is, with the same script and white actors with different costumes, would it still be racist to black people? If not, would it be racist towards white people? What if you painted them green?

Code of honor was bout as racist as Justice IMO both episodes were based on some kind of stereotypes. When it came to stereotypes Star Trek dishes it out to all and sundry. Code was about as African as Justice is Scandinavian.
I was not offended by either, if some viewers were offended speak for yourself and let go of your 'I represent all black thinking' card...
Thanks

 

[Tuskin38]

I think I'll leave this website to be honest. I thought it was a website for Star Trek fans but after reading through some of these threads its for little pansies.

No need for insults.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I think I'll leave this website to be honest. I thought it was a website for Star Trek fans but after reading through some of these threads its for little pansies.

You won't find anybody here feeling insulted by the idea that we care about social justice.

 

[Amaris]

I think I'll leave this website to be honest. I thought it was a website for Star Trek fans but after reading through some of these threads its for little pansies.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I think I'll leave this website to be honest. I thought it was a website for Star Trek fans but after reading through some of these threads its for little pansies.

At this rate, you'd likely be escorted out.

--Bad Thoughts (not a pansy)

 

[jaime]

You won't find anybody here feeling insulted by the idea that we care about social justice.

Social Equality, Social Responsibility, Society, Social Caring, yes.
Social Justice sounds unpleasantly close to a Lynch Mob for my tastes. not a label I care to spin into a positive. SJW is an insult. *shrug*

 

[{ Emilia }]

Social Equality, Social Responsibility, Society, Social Caring, yes.
Social Justice sounds unpleasantly close to a Lynch Mob for my tastes. not a label I care to spin into a positive. SJW is an insult. *shrug*

How dramatic. I don't see any lynch mobs around here.

 

[Tuskin38]

Most of the time i see the term SJW used it is in reference to extremists. People who take it to a point that they basically become those who they're fighting against.

I mean people to absolutely refuse to change their mind, or cover their ears, won't listen to anything.

 

[Relayer1]

people always conflate 'Norman' with 'English' for some unknown reason.....

Norman - from Norsemen. Vikings settled in France (Normandy), invaded England. Became the French speaking gentry.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Most of the time i see the term SJW used it is in reference to extremists. People who take it to a point that they basically become those who they're fighting against.

I mean people to absolutely refuse to change their mind, or cover their ears, won't listen to anything.

Most of the time I see the term hurled at perfectly normal people who dared object to some bigoted shit. Usually by somebody who's upset he can't say casually racist or sexist things anymore without being called out.

I've rarely (if ever) seen it used in reference to actual "extremists". It's usually just a lame debating tactic.

 

[jaime]

Norman - from Norsemen. Vikings settled in France (Normandy), invaded England. Became the French speaking gentry.

Yes.

 

[TheSeeker]

I think I'll leave this website to be honest. I thought it was a website for Star Trek fans but after reading through some of these threads its for little pansies.

Comments like this are a sure path to leaving whether you want to or not. This kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I'm sorry (notSorry) I missed most of the pages (especially how far off topic the last few seem)

I would say Deep SPace 9 is the LEAST racist of all Treks, mainly because they had the time to FLESH out several alien cultures, and we got to see characters of the same culture with (sometimes) wildly differing views of how one in their culture should act.

And certainly with humans...the Sisko family in particular was excellent....

 

[Prax]

I never thought DS9 was racist at all, nor any of the other shows for that matter. Humans certainly aren't racist to each other, and aliens are aliens.

 

[Tribble puncher]

I always thought the aliens in Trek were written as metaphors, the aliens represent facets or universal qualities that we all carry as humans (good or bad), so Trek at it's core was always about working with some of those facets of ourselves and working to overcome other facets....it least thats my thought as to why the main alien races seem so one demensional and not nearly as diverse as humans are portrayed.

 

[Neetza512]

Some of the characters certainly are (well, specisist) but I don't think the show endorses their beliefs. Kira, a resistance fighter, learns that it isn't enough that someone is Cardassian, she got to a place she was able to hate someone for what they did, not who they were, even though she and her people suffered at the hands of a specific group for 50 years. Odo, though he flirts with the Great Link, also never really embraces the Founders' belief that all solids are to be avoided and feared (at worst) and controlled (at best). Sisko's love interest (forget her name at the moment) also reminds him that Vic's racially-integrated 1952 Vegas lounge was not an accurate portrayal of the show circuit at the time, but rather a picture of "the way things could have been, the way they should have been."

Trek as a whole has always pushed for more racial inclusion than the mainstream culture accepted at the time. Nichelle Noris was the first black person on television who wasn't a maid, the first interracial kiss on TV was on TOS, and there were lots of TNG, DS9 and VOY episodes that delt with racism.