Is Amanda Grayson American?

[Tenacity]

The old nation-states probably exist within United Earth the same way that Federation member worlds exist within the UFP.

How would that work with each stage? In America today you have cities, counties, state and finally the federal government.

If UE becomes basically the federal government, then nations are states, and states are counties, and on down.

Later you get the UFP as the federal government (?), entire planets/multiple planets/colonies are now single states, nations become counties, states are sub-counties, counties are sub-sub-counties, then cities.

But that assumes top down administration.

If existing nations remain essentially sovereign, then the UE isn't a federal government, it doesn't need to be one.

With the UFP (which Kirk calls an alliance) there's no effort to exercise top level authority, because there's no mandate. The members don't NEED the Federation to be a federal government, the members have that covered..

The Federation fulfills several important tasks, ultimate authority not being one of them.

Sector 000

001?

North America includes Canada.

USA
Canada
Mexico
Guatemala
Belize
Honduras
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Panama
Bahamas
Cuba
Jamaica
Haiti
Dominican Rep.
St. Kits and Nevis
Antigua and Barbuda
Dominica
Saint Lucia
Barbados
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Grenada
Trinidad and Tobago]

 

[Nerys Myk]

001?

Probably

 

[Guy Gardener]

How would that work with each stage? In America today you have cities, counties, state and finally the federal government.

If UE becomes basically the federal government, then nations are states, and states are counties, and on down.

Later you get the UFP as the federal government (?), entire planets/multiple planets/colonies are now single states, nations become counties, states are sub-counties, counties are sub-sub-counties, then cities.

But that assumes top down administration.

If existing nations remain essentially sovereign, then the UE isn't a federal government, it doesn't need to be one.

With the UFP (which Kirk calls an alliance) there's no effort to exercise top level authority, because there's no mandate. The members don't NEED the Federation to be a federal government, the members have that covered..

The Federation fulfills several important tasks, ultimate authority not being one of them.
001? USA
Canada
Mexico
Guatemala
Belize
Honduras
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Panama
Bahamas
Cuba
Jamaica
Haiti
Dominican Rep.
St. Kits and Nevis
Antigua and Barbuda
Dominica
Saint Lucia
Barbados
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Grenada
Trinidad and Tobago]

North America.
Central America
South America.

Three arbitrary groups of American countries.

Right at the beginning, Canada had a dangling invitation for a decade, to hook up with the states against the British.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Right at the beginning, Canada had a dangling invitation for a decade, to hook up with the states against the British.

Pretty sure it was a hard pass on that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

North America.
Central America
South America.

Three arbitrary groups of American countries.

Seems pretty clear cut.

 

[Jayson1]

I wonder what the Federation would do if a country wanted a Brexit and leave the Federation. We know colonies can like Yar's homeworld and the ones that got mixed up in the Maquis conflict. Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Maquis Colonies were in the DMZ and the Cardassian Union.

Border worlds were being attacked in TNG The Wounded, 3ish years later later The Federation ceded all the Border words to the Cardassians, and some of the "human" colonists decided to live as Cardassian Citizens, side by side with biological Cardassians, on their own worlds rather than get moved by penpushers.

 

[Tenacity]

Pretty sure it was a hard pass on that.

They didn't want to take the Queen off the money.

I wonder what the Federation would do if a country wanted a Brexit and leave the Federation.

If the members are in fact sovereign entities, they can cancel their memberships any time they want. If the former member and the Federation both wish to have a post-cancellation relationship this would have to be negotiated.

3ish years later later The Federation ceded all the Border words to the Cardassians

I don't think it was all.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I don't think it was all.

I was being poetic.

However... The point wasn't to cede land but to move trouble makers on the border to a completely new border where it would take them time to learn how to be alienist towards a new collective of aliens bordering the Federation on the other side of the Federation.

Making it seem like translocating all the armed racists wasn't their idea was a fantastic gabit that the Federation came up with until all the angry xenephobes tried out a little xenophillia.

What a total pack of crazies.

Giving away space didn't matter because there was a 10 year plan, a thirty year plan and a 50 year plan at work to trick the Cardassians into joining the Federation by three independent action subcommittees... So all that gifted space was going to return to the fold eventually.

 

[Tenacity]

I was being poetic.

Then you have my respect sir, and I encourage you to explore this further.

 

[Nyotarules]

My birth certificate says that I was born in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA. Presumably that location plus the date will be enough for anyone interested to look up the birth register to confirm it, for example if I ever run for president of the USA.

But if you travelled overseas and someone asked where are you from would you respond, USA or Lancaster? I guess in the Star Trek universe if a human was asked by an alien where they were from, they would either reply Earth, Mars or whatever colony planet they were born on, telling said alien 'I'm from Rome' would mean nothing to that alien unless there were an expert on Terran geography

Surely it's not that hard to figure out:
United Federation of Planets
Sector 000
Earth
North America
United States of America
Iowa
Washington County
Riverside

Its a good thing snail mail no longer exist in the 23rd century, what an address!

He'd still be the political leader of a region that includes a billion or so people and responsible for ensuring their welfare. Not sure if it matters if he's a mid level government official instead of a top level one

Considering humans in Star Trek love to live on other planets, the USA is probably half empty, compared to today's population. There are probably only 1 billion humans on the whole planet with quarter billion nonhumans

 

[Guy Gardener]

Snail mail might seem inefficient, but what about parcel post.

People will still have to ship boxes of crap from one side of the country to the other.

Transporters obviously.

Although, do we really want anyone transporting anything, anywhere, without regulation or oversight, becuase accidents happen and so does terrorism, and crime.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Snail mail might seem inefficient, but what about parcel post.

People will still have to ship boxes of crap from one side of the country tot he other.

Transporters obviously.

Although, do we really want anyone transporting anything, anywhere, without regulation or oversight, becuase accidents happen and so does terrorism, and crime.

Barcodes

 

[Guy Gardener]

What about mail all on Voyager?

Neelix walked around the ship, and hand delivered brand new freshly replicated pads.

UFP citizens are so wasteful and paranoid that they dare not use a PADD twice before breaking it down for recycling.

 

[SolarisOne]

UFP citizens are so wasteful and paranoid that they dare not use a PADD twice before breaking it down for recycling.

They also have tons of PADDs on their desks, emulating a bygone era of tons of paper documents on desks. As if one tablet computer from that era shouldn't be able to hold all of the data we currently possess in 2019 (and probably have the computational power of a small modern supercomputer.)

 

[Prax]

It should be noted, on the ship, the computer is all around them, with access points everywhere. They don't need to walk around with there own personal padd all day. Also, those padds can link up with anything instantly, and wirelessly, be it the ship's computer, other padds, tricorders, and so forth.

They are beyond the tablet.

What about mail all on Voyager?

Neelix walked around the ship, and hand delivered brand new freshly replicated pads.

UFP citizens are so wasteful and paranoid that they dare not use a PADD twice before breaking it down for recycling.

He handed them tiny data chips

 

[cgervasi]

She's Earthican.

If that's an ethnic slur like "Earthling" or "Earther" it should be removed by the moderators.
j/k

 

[Kor]

If that's an ethnic slur like "Earthling" or "Earther" it should be removed by the moderators.
j/k

Futurama reference

Kor

 

[Tenacity]

UFP citizens are so wasteful and paranoid that they dare not use a PADD twice before breaking it down for recycling.

Like many modern day Trek fans, the people on Voyager will do anything to avoid STD.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Wasn't it established somewhere that Amanda was from Colorado? In D.C. Fontana's novel Vulcan's Glory, maybe?

I just pulled out my copy of Vulcan's Glory, and yeah, Fontana establishes that Amanda is from Colorado Springs, Colorado on page 37. Captain Pike and Number One are reviewing Lt. Spock's service record before he comes aboard the Enterprise. Since Fontana created Amanda Grayson and Sarek and did a lot of developmental work on the character of Spock, I'd say that's pretty definitive. So until and unless Discovery establishes something different about Amanda's backstory, I'm fine with assuming she's from Colorado.