Is Amanda Grayson American?
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I find this fascinating. The historical comparisons. Australia effectively merges the first two. The levels are municipal, state and federal. It had counties inside the states back in colonial times but abolished them when the states federalised. One wonders if United Earth works a similar way. Maybe local councils have been merged together with state government, and the 'federal' level is below Earth United Government. So each country state still has individual States/Regions, they just aren't governed like today's version of government.
I don't know.
Wikipedia's List of administrative divisions by Country lists the various types and levels of administrative divisions in each country in the world today. Those divisions differ greatly in their powers and whether they are ruled by the local people or by the central government.
You will seem that countries vary vastly in their levels of administrative divisions. Various countries have between one and five levels of administrative divisions, and the numbers don't always vary according to the size of the country.
So if a United Earth was created and no administrative divisions were abolished, there would be seven levels of government on Earth from the United Earth government down to the smallest local district. And I think that it is quite possible that some planets in the United Federation of Planets could have as many as seven levels of government from the planetary government down to the tiniest local district. That would make at least eight levels of government in the United Federation of Planets.
Considering that there are several hundred billion star systems in the Milky Way Galaxy, it is interesting to speculate how many levels of government a galactic empire would have.
How ponfar works, drawing you back to the homeworld... It should matter that there is no discord between your dna and your birth cirtificate. If your dna and birth cirtificate are out of joint, you are less eligible because there is a 50/50 chance, you will move heaven and earth, killing dozens of idiots in your way, until you get to the wrong planet where your wife isn't.
In the "religion" of Surak, some thing very important may have happened in a cave, like that time he took refuge inside Jonathan Archer.
Point is, hipsters give births in caves, and down to earth people who work for a living give birth in hospital suites that look like caves. Both following a stupid tradition, but one of them is increasing the chances of infant mortality by 300 percent.
Hipsters are the worst.
Interesting enough. Does pon farr really draw you to Vulcan (explaining why all Vulcans but 10,000 die when the planet does)? Or just to your assigned spouse (who in turn typically is on Vulcan because reasons, these again explaining the extinction)?
Spock's comparison to the salmon (and probably also the eelbirds) is obviously flawed, as it's at odds with the seven-year cycle thing and all. So all the talk about returning "home" could be off the mark, too. Most of the consummations of pon farr we see take place far away from Vulcan, establishing this pattern of what pon farr really involves: no fights to death, no taking of mate, no returning home.
Doesn't mean Spock wouldn't be born on Vulcan. Perhaps there's a specific Cave for the purpose, a single place of pilgrimage easily capable of handling the logically controlled flow of operations for all Vulcan. Perhaps every family has a cave in his basement, or a communal one at the club room of the apartment building. Perhaps Sarek balances his image of a tradition-breaking pervert by sticking to the old family cave and arena. But it would be fun to learn a bit more. Vulcan supposedly has locations, rather than just a Location. Sarek seems to live in the wetlands where the winters allow for space cherry trees to blossom, but there's the most famed desert of the whole planet right on his backyard. Is this where Spock was born, or merely where he grew up? Or are all Vulcans logically living on that prime real estate, save for the three Kolinahru weirdoes and they guy who minds the dump?
Timo Saloniemi
Spock's comparison to the salmon (and probably also the eelbirds) is obviously flawed, as it's at odds with the seven-year cycle thing and all. So all the talk about returning "home" could be off the mark, too. Most of the consummations of pon farr we see take place far away from Vulcan, establishing this pattern of what pon farr really involves: no fights to death, no taking of mate, no returning home.
Doesn't mean Spock wouldn't be born on Vulcan. Perhaps there's a specific Cave for the purpose, a single place of pilgrimage easily capable of handling the logically controlled flow of operations for all Vulcan. Perhaps every family has a cave in his basement, or a communal one at the club room of the apartment building. Perhaps Sarek balances his image of a tradition-breaking pervert by sticking to the old family cave and arena. But it would be fun to learn a bit more. Vulcan supposedly has locations, rather than just a Location. Sarek seems to live in the wetlands where the winters allow for space cherry trees to blossom, but there's the most famed desert of the whole planet right on his backyard. Is this where Spock was born, or merely where he grew up? Or are all Vulcans logically living on that prime real estate, save for the three Kolinahru weirdoes and they guy who minds the dump?
Timo Saloniemi
I've seen everything she said on the L Word, it would be effortless to get Mia Kirsher to make an answer phone message for one of us saying something like "Downstairs in my f*ck-cave, get back to you ASAP."
Well, since D.C. Fontana created the character of Amanda Grayson when Hambly was all of 16, I'm going with Fontana's version.
Yup. And FWIW, Hambly explicitly gives a birthplace for Spock, and only implicitly has Mom and Dad associated with a location of some nondescript sort. Although since Sarek is associated with Shi'Kahr and Amanda with Seattle, perhaps we're to think the book caught them during a difficult moment in the marriage? 
I'll go with Hambly's account anyway, because she has two Doctors there. Plus Han Solo, Apollo and Starbuck.
Timo Saloniemi
I'll go with Hambly's account anyway, because she has two Doctors there. Plus Han Solo, Apollo and Starbuck.
Timo Saloniemi
There's no evidence it does.
If a Vulcan couple happen to be serving together on a starship, for example, they could probably go through pon farr right there without having to return home.
Spock was drawn back to Vulcan because that's where T'Pring was. If she'd been on the ship with him, that wouldn't have been necessary.
The kelvin comics set after the destruction of Vulcan, because the new planet was "wrong" turned all the men into prelanguage cavemen living in the hills, when pon far was supposed to finish, but didn't.
Banging the missus didn't ammend this situation.
What they did do was use the Transporter to artificially simulate the conditions on Original Vulcan for half a second while their bodies were reintegrating.
BINGO BANGO BONGO!
Banging the missus didn't ammend this situation.
What they did do was use the Transporter to artificially simulate the conditions on Original Vulcan for half a second while their bodies were reintegrating.
BINGO BANGO BONGO!
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We have basically seen it all. In "Amok Time", two males, apparently both in plak tow, want to fight it out on Vulcan; only one does, and there's no death, and all ends well. In "Blood Fever", two males, both in plak tow (and one in the body of a female Klingon), fight it out far away from Vulcan, and there's no death, and all ends well. In "Bounty", a female in pon farr survives just fine without doing anything much anywhere near Vulcan. In ST3:TSfS, a male and a female survive far away from Vulcan, even though the former goes through plenty of seven-year cycles and the latter isn't in season as far as we know and there's no taking of mate when the dust settles. And then there are the holodeck options.
It not only seems that being on Vulcan does not matter: nothing much matters, as the fight to death need not be to death, the taking of a mate need not happen, and nobody ever dies one way or another anyway. Perhaps being on Vulcan in theory plays some role, perhaps even a greater role than this mate-taking thing or fight-to-death thing, but in the end, it's all only in theory.
Timo Saloniemi
It not only seems that being on Vulcan does not matter: nothing much matters, as the fight to death need not be to death, the taking of a mate need not happen, and nobody ever dies one way or another anyway. Perhaps being on Vulcan in theory plays some role, perhaps even a greater role than this mate-taking thing or fight-to-death thing, but in the end, it's all only in theory.
Timo Saloniemi
Really, the only canon (sorry) things we know about the USA are that Kirk recognises the wording of the constitution, and Riker recognises the flag, and knows when the 52 star version went out of use.
Oh, and a significant number of starships have names from US navy tradition that derive from Revolutionary War battles.
Oh, and a significant number of starships have names from US navy tradition that derive from Revolutionary War battles.
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Which constitution is the constitution class, named after?
A guy at the academy who could eat anything.
I would think that when bonded vulcans travel off world, they would try to do so as couples. if they knew they'd be away from vulcan for more than a few years. obviously there's going to be situations where couples are going to be cut off from each other when the time comes. Urn
or a colony world, in which case goiing. to vulcan (first?) would be a potently fatal waste of time. it might make sense that in historical times you would return to the village of your childhood, where your bride would be dutifully waiting at her father's hut.
homing in on your bride would make more sense.
Stonn wasn't in Plak Tow in "Amok Time." He didn't show any of the difficulties or instability that Spock did. Stonn and T'Pring were drawn to each other spiritually and romantically, not because they had been bonded as children the way that Spock and T'Pring were.
Didn't "Blood Fever" rule that option out?
Non-canon, obviously, but one short story mentions the American president travelling to San Francisco after the Breen attack (along with the United Earth Prime Minister and Federation President), and the novel 'Spock's World' says the President is essentially a ceremonial role by the 23rd century.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/President_of_the_United_States_of_America
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/President_of_the_United_States_of_America
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