True! I remember first learning this during DS9's original run in the early days of the Web. Charisse was Visitor's aunt by marriage.
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True! I remember first learning this during DS9's original run in the early days of the Web. Charisse was Visitor's aunt by marriage.
it doesn't matter anyway because there was no way they were ever releasing the movie with a toddler being blown to atoms at the end.
Man, the TOS movies didn't have good luck with child actors, did they?
They apparently never got usable footage.
I remember seeing a tleast one still photogrpah in a discussion of those scenes, although that is not the same thing as usable film footage or even unusable film footage. Perhaps a still photograph might posibly be usable in some future production.
I'm sorry, are we saying there was a kid among Khan's people who was on the Reliant and got blowed up when the Genesis device blew?
In one version of the work in progress, but not in the final product, so it doesn't count. The kid lives on the Island of Discarded Ideas along with V'Ger's Memory Wall, Sulu's 20th-century ancestor in San Francisco, the Sha Ka Ree rock monster, and Commander Martin Madden.
One was intended. One did not happen.
It's just as well the child didn't work. Spock's big scene with Kirk wasn't just the climax, it was the emotional heart of the movie. When Spock is talking to Kirk, maybe you don't want the audience preoccupied over a little kid they just saw die. It might actually dilute the impact, in a case where less is more.
How old do Khan's people look in "Space Seed"? WOK is 15 years later. How old do Khan's followers look like in WOK?
Are they the same people who don't look any older after 15 years in a harsh struggle for suvival?
Are they the fast growing children of Kahan's people in t"Space seed", who might be the only survivors because their parents sacrficied them to save themselves?
Were the WOK people on the Botany Bay in "Space Seed', having fled from the hypothetical extermination of the augments, but were not seen onscreen seen because they were too young to help take over the Enterprise, and Kirk -ignoring due process - sentenced those little children to exile on a dangerous frontier world merely because their leader desired a world of his own?
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As comparisons, Alexander was 20 when he became King. Napoleon was 30 when he took over France. Both "young-ish", but not young teens. Khan was probably one of the oldest superhumans at about 40-45 in 1993. In Space Seed, we see only 8 of Khan's closest followers; all adults but none older than Khan. Later in TWOK, we see the only survivors; about 12-14 twenty-something men and women who must have children during Space Seed. These children could have been either a newer generation of bred superhumans, or simply the offspring of the older superhumans (or both since selective breeding does involve ... breeding). (The never-seen children must have been 3 sections down in the junior quarters on the Botany Bay.)
Do the math.
The men and women in WOK who were aged "20 something" would be somewhere betwen 20 and 30 in WOK. Subtracting the 15 years since "Space Seed" that makes them aged somewhere between 5 and 15 during "Space Seed", whether they were seen or unseen by the audience.
Another possibiity is that Khan's followers in WOK were born after "Space Seed" and were all under 15, but loked about twice their age. They wouldhave been khan's crew because their parents were dead, probably sacrificing their lives to protect them, only for Khan to get them killed a few years later..
The third possiiblity is that Khan's followers in WOK were already adults aged about 20 to 30 in "Space Seed" and were aged aobut 35 to 45 in WoK but looked like they werehalf their actual ages due to their super genes. That is the least disturbing interpretation of the casting choices in "Space Seed" and WK, but it would not be in line with a theme of a ship full of kids fighting another ship full of kids...
In reference to Alexander becoming king at 20, he inherited the throne. There is no great acheavement in inheriting the throne at any old or young age. In fact, accoridng to legend Shapur II became KIng of Kings befor ehe was born, being crowned while his mother was pregant. The only achievement Alexander's necessary for Alexlander to become king would be if he was behind the assasination of his father.
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There was at least one older guy among Khan's followers in WOK. He was standing behind Khan when the Reliant entered the Mutara Nebula and accidentally laid a hand on Khan during the jolt. Khan glared at him.
There's very little point in trying to rationalize the young age of Khan's movie crew. The movie was cast sloppily, meaning without regard to "Space Seed" and its implied timeline. It's as simple as that. And this was the best of the original-cast films. The whole film series was made by people who didn't care much about continuity, except within the trilogy of II-III-IV.
