Insurrection Ending

[Aike]

^ Well that's actual nonsense. If it had killed TNG they never would have made Nemesis. That killed TNG.

No, they tried to revive it with Nemesis with more action like in First Contact.
Insurrection, on the other hand, killed all chances of ever making TNG movies profitable again. Simply put, it was a bad movie for everyone except the hard core fans. Casual viewers and "normal" fans of TNG lost interest and didn´t come back in 2002. After Insurrection, any Trek movie with the TNG cast was doomed.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Should've de-aged to an infant and then been rescued. Then Picard dumps tiny Ru'afo on Anij...he goes back to exploring the galaxy and she's left holding the baby.

 

[JarodRussell]

^ Well that's actual nonsense. If it had killed TNG they never would have made Nemesis. That killed TNG.

No, they tried to revive it with Nemesis with more action like in First Contact.
Insurrection, on the other hand, killed all chances of ever making TNG movies profitable again. Simply put, it was a bad movie for everyone except the hard core fans. Casual viewers and "normal" fans of TNG lost interest and didn´t come back in 2002. After Insurrection, any Trek movie with the TNG cast was doomed.

Well I think you're wrong. Had Nemesis been a good movie (which means it would have needed a whole different script writer and director) AND had the marketing campaign been right (more of the likes of the new 2009 movie, it seems like they spent twice the movie's budget on the marketing alone), Nemesis would have been received better. And THEN everybody would take Insurrection for what it is: a solid Trek movie that did quite well. Not great, but not bad either. It's just about 20 millions behind First Contact worldwide, about equal with Generations, and 20 millions ahead of Undiscovered Country.


Nemesis on the other hand... wow. Fans lost interest, it's true. But in addition the movie simply sucked, both for fans and non-fans. That could have been way different, though.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

To be fair, that was the ending to "Too Short a Season." The admiral took a double-dose of a de-aging drug and grew younger and younger. In the original draft, he would've reverted to being a baby and then disappeared.

 

[Elemental]

To be fair, that was the ending to "Too Short a Season." The admiral took a double-dose of a de-aging drug and grew younger and younger. In the original draft, he would've reverted to being a baby and then disappeared.

That was the one I was trying to remember. When has attempting to rehash previously used ideas EVER sat well with the fanbase?

 

[Argus Skyhawk]

That was the one I was trying to remember. When has attempting to rehash previously used ideas EVER sat well with the fanbase?

But it wasn't a previously used idea. It was from an early draft, not a finished episode.

To be honest, I don't really like the idea, however. It seems simultaneously creepy and silly, and I generally don't like "creepy" mixed with "silly".

 

[JB2005]

I would point out, the So'na and Bak'u are the same race, their DNA is identical...the enterprise crew don't know this. So when they scan the collector, they should see "One Human, One Baku"...

 

[Candlelight]

I would point out, the So'na and Bak'u are the same race, their DNA is identical...the enterprise crew don't know this. So when they scan the collector, they should see "One Human, One Baku"...

And yet when they scanned Ru'Afo's command ship...

 

[DWF]

I would point out, the So'na and Bak'u are the same race, their DNA is identical...the enterprise crew don't know this. So when they scan the collector, they should see "One Human, One Baku"...

They needed a medical tricorder to find that out, I doubt if the Enterprise's sensors are that powerful.

 

[trevanian]

didn't STAR DREK have dialog to this effect:
"plot complication detected on main sensor, captain."

 

[JarodRussell]

We've never seen exactly how close the Son'a are to the Ba'ku. The Son'a had 100 years of genetic manipulations, on each and everyone of their group. Maybe Crusher's tricorder scan showed a similarity that the ship sensors don't detect, because it's not of tactical interest.

 

[JB2005]

I would point out, the So'na and Bak'u are the same race, their DNA is identical...the enterprise crew don't know this. So when they scan the collector, they should see "One Human, One Baku"...

They needed a medical tricorder to find that out, I doubt if the Enterprise's sensors are that powerful.

Yeah, Warp Powered Starship v Battery Powered Tricorder...

 

[DWF]

I would point out, the So'na and Bak'u are the same race, their DNA is identical...the enterprise crew don't know this. So when they scan the collector, they should see "One Human, One Baku"...

They needed a medical tricorder to find that out, I doubt if the Enterprise's sensors are that powerful.

Yeah, Warp Powered Starship v Battery Powered Tricorder...

The warp drive doesn't power the ship's sensors though if they did they'd go down each time the engines to and there was no warp core on the Enterprise at the time at any rate.

 

[JarodRussell]

I would point out, the So'na and Bak'u are the same race, their DNA is identical...the enterprise crew don't know this. So when they scan the collector, they should see "One Human, One Baku"...

They needed a medical tricorder to find that out, I doubt if the Enterprise's sensors are that powerful.

Yeah, Warp Powered Starship v Battery Powered Tricorder...

Your thought process is just so wrong...

 

[Shazam!]

They needed a medical tricorder to find that out, I doubt if the Enterprise's sensors are that powerful.

Yeah, Warp Powered Starship v Battery Powered Tricorder...

So basically they should have no equipment in sickbay and just let the Enterprise's sensors sort everything out?

 

[QuasarVM]

Should've de-aged to an infant and then been rescued. Then Picard dumps tiny Ru'afo on Anij...he goes back to exploring the galaxy and she's left holding the baby.

I actually LIKE that idea!!!

Very Space:1999-ish...and I'm a fan of that show as well.

But it also fits in with Trek in the way that the "villain" isn't killed but has a second chance. It also would have reinforced Anij's character as a "woman of destiny".

Love it. I think Roddenberry would have as well.

 

[JB2005]

They needed a medical tricorder to find that out, I doubt if the Enterprise's sensors are that powerful.

Yeah, Warp Powered Starship v Battery Powered Tricorder...

So basically they should have no equipment in sickbay and just let the Enterprise's sensors sort everything out?

"Sensors are reading over 100 Baku aboard [Ru'Afo's Vessel] And 1 Klingon."

We know their sensors are that good, Therefore when they scanned the collector, and saw lifesigns, they should have seen 1 human and 1 baku...

 

[Falcor5]

Should've de-aged to an infant and then been rescued. Then Picard dumps tiny Ru'afo on Anij...he goes back to exploring the galaxy and she's left holding the baby.

I actually LIKE that idea!!!

Very Space:1999-ish...and I'm a fan of that show as well.

But it also fits in with Trek in the way that the "villain" isn't killed but has a second chance. It also would have reinforced Anij's character as a "woman of destiny".

Love it. I think Roddenberry would have as well.

I agree that would have been a great ending and very Trek.

 

[DWF]

Yeah, Warp Powered Starship v Battery Powered Tricorder...

So basically they should have no equipment in sickbay and just let the Enterprise's sensors sort everything out?

"Sensors are reading over 100 Baku aboard [Ru'Afo's Vessel] And 1 Klingon."

We know their sensors are that good, Therefore when they scanned the collector, and saw lifesigns, they should have seen 1 human and 1 baku...

If the sensors were so good why didn't they detect the Tarlac and Ellora that were on Ru'afo's vessel as well?

 

[BillJ]

So basically they should have no equipment in sickbay and just let the Enterprise's sensors sort everything out?

"Sensors are reading over 100 Baku aboard [Ru'Afo's Vessel] And 1 Klingon."

We know their sensors are that good, Therefore when they scanned the collector, and saw lifesigns, they should have seen 1 human and 1 baku...

If the sensors were so good why didn't they detect the Tarlac and Ellora that were on Ru'afo's vessel as well?

Because no one cared about them...