I freaking hated Mad about You, it was AWFUL.
Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?
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It still lasted for years with good ratings, though.
Hell, "Modern Family" and "The Middle" have been running fine with all the couples together.
Seriously, "Moonlighting Syndrome" is a thing of the past. Even Moonlighting didn't fail because they put the leads together, because after they got together we never saw them as a couple. They were always apart for the rest of the show!
Moonlighting was mis-blamed.
Hell, "Modern Family" and "The Middle" have been running fine with all the couples together.
Seriously, "Moonlighting Syndrome" is a thing of the past. Even Moonlighting didn't fail because they put the leads together, because after they got together we never saw them as a couple. They were always apart for the rest of the show!
Moonlighting was mis-blamed.
Mad about you had me questioning my sexuality.
I liked the girl for her mind.
But it was Paul Reiser's mind inside Helen Hunt's body that I was admiring.
Which then had me wonder if I had picked the wrong dad on My Two dads as well.
Lisa and Dave (From News Radio) got together in the pilot too.
I liked the girl for her mind.
But it was Paul Reiser's mind inside Helen Hunt's body that I was admiring.
Which then had me wonder if I had picked the wrong dad on My Two dads as well.
Lisa and Dave (From News Radio) got together in the pilot too.
They milked that so hard.
They replaced Fran and Max with Niles and CC, so they could keep the "will they, won't they" audience.
It helps that the show was never really about the "Will they get together or not?" stuff in the first place, the show was about all the crazy stuff that kept happening to them. Having them together didn't affect that at all.
See, it's only when the romantic tension between the leads is the ONLY thing driving the show. And when you make a show like that, it's because of laziness.
See, it's only when the romantic tension between the leads is the ONLY thing driving the show. And when you make a show like that, it's because of laziness.
So I sit down to watch Voyager before the millennium, ready for a the usual fantastic space rhomp... And in the teaser Tom and B'Elanna were getting married. WOAH! Not only was that out of left field but I could not remember or had not seen the episodes where they were "will they won't they", and "excuse the sound of us boning just relpicate some ear muffs and shut the #### up".
The writers had forgotten for 2 years to remind me that THAT was happening in the background all the time.
The writers had forgotten for 2 years to remind me that THAT was happening in the background all the time.
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Being in another galaxy would have been no less survivable than the DQ--Janeway characterized the DQ as a "death trap," and it's hard not to see it that way from her point of view--but any premise that they'd be plotting a course home and trying to get home by a direct route would have been flatly absurd. But they wouldn't have to have settled down; they could have chosen to explore the strange galaxy looking for a means to get home (like super-duper-ultra-meta-transwarp or whatever).
Why? Technology brought them there (wherever it was), so it's possible that technology would bringt them back home.
I wasn't saying that technology couldn't get them back--exactly the opposite. You read my concluding sentence, right?:
"But they wouldn't have to have settled down; they could have chosen to explore the strange galaxy looking for a means to get home (like super-duper-ultra-meta-transwarp or whatever)."
They don't have the tech to get them to another galaxy within their lifetimes--not even close--so it would make zero sense for them to immediately plot a course for the Milky Way. That's all I meant--that it would make much more sense for them to search the new galaxy they're in for such tech, but it would make no particular sense for them to start their search on a beeline to the Milky Way. They'd be far better off looking for clues--albeit the search is way more than needle-in-a-haystack depressing in scope--to the existence of technology that could get them home, and go in whatever directions this hunt would take them.
However, they'd have the writers on their side, so the needle-in-a-haystack analogy isn't entirely spot on.
Wasn't it "Blood Fever" where they first found out they were in an area with Borg?
Well that's only 7 days earlier out time.
But they should have known if they had bothered to read the wiki on the DQ before they picked a course.
Although, if their course could survive 10 years through Borgspace, what does it matter that someone decided 20 years transversing Romulan space was nothing to write home about?
But they should have known if they had bothered to read the wiki on the DQ before they picked a course.
Although, if their course could survive 10 years through Borgspace, what does it matter that someone decided 20 years transversing Romulan space was nothing to write home about?
Yes, saw evidence for the first time, but found out as in discovered with no previous intimation or knowledge that they would? Not so sure about that.
Of course, it can be attributed as retconning regardless, but didn't Janeway, Chakotay, if not others, sometimes state, not just in Scorpion, something along the lines of "we knew this (coming across the Borg there) was going to happen sometime......"?
Whichever galaxy they end up with, they would have to traverse it, and a galaxy is a big fucking place. So plotting a direct course home wouldn't make things any worse.
It could potentially do that, in fact, if, for example, 5 light years in the opposite direction is an Iconian gateway or something similar. And "might as well" adds up to nothing gained in this case, as regular warp drive has no chance at all, zero, of doing the job. A purely directional approach isn't needed, but a data-gathering and empirical approach. Send out probes in all directions and sit still for a while. Wait for promising leads to show up before charging in one direction. Possibly proceed in a l3d version of a ogarithmic spiral rather than a straight line.
The screen capture from descent.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...en/images/c/c5/Transwarp_conduit_topology.jpg
The actual distance they travelled in Descent was 65 light years, and only a few weeks from Federation space (at high warp, Voyager could not go at high warp the whole way home, because it would reduce the ships life expectancy like if you went everywhere in your car at 135 mph.)
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...en/images/c/c5/Transwarp_conduit_topology.jpg
The actual distance they travelled in Descent was 65 light years, and only a few weeks from Federation space (at high warp, Voyager could not go at high warp the whole way home, because it would reduce the ships life expectancy like if you went everywhere in your car at 135 mph.)
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Technology yes, but in such a scenario, technology most likely beyond their ken. Oh they would attempt to bring to bear their most rigorous scientific strategems and gewgaws to think their way out, but assuming the show runners still wanted seven years out of the production, the gap in knowledge to be bridged to work their way from this predicament couldn't be covered with even a prolonged dose of super strength Trek technobabble.
No, done with even a modicum of sense, I think this would have to represent a game changer in the conception and execution of most Starfleet (and Federation) protocols, mores, and even existential outlook that we have come to know and love.
Maybe though we could have gotten a most exceptional mix of personnel to crew this mission. One that would have quickly come over to the conviction that their lives would be given over to the purity and wonder of the first Milky Way exploration of another galaxy, their own knowledge of which would be the only plausible salvation left them, the Federation or whoever likely only finding out about it thousands of years down the road. Ya think??
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