Independence Day - Resurgence

[FPAlpha]

The miltary aspect of this race was nuked, the rest exploded. What's left isn't going to want to wage a war since they are now left without their resource extraction technology, they're weak and defenceless too, why pick a fight?

The death toll is likely to be in excess of well over a billion, nearly every major human city was destroyed utterly at once, the most populated ones had people gathering to each ground zero.

There's no money, no food, no water, no homes. Governments can't do anything to restore order as the military is gone, and no one is any more important than any other now.

I mean hell America now everyone shoots anyone in their way, imagine the world left after the aliens, government mowing down anyone who doesn't obey, citizens exerting their right to any left over resources etc

Moonbases and starships just a few years after that? alien invasions and Apple devices accomplishing something useful is worlds more believable than that.

Well, the entire movie was unrealistic (to put it mildly) but even in our urban era you can't discount the rural areas.

In fact, without them the cities would die in a matter of days. The aliens concentrated on the larger cities like capitals of the most important nations and other areas like Los Angeles so they are pretty much gone for now.

However all the farms, cattle herds and such are outside of the cities and i doubt the aliens had enough time to attack them too so they would be pretty much intact. I'd also theorize that the infrastructure up to the cities is more or less intact too.

What this would mean is that after the first chaos dies down (give it 1-3 years) humanity will reorganize, new leaders will step up (especially the US president who must be a world known hero now having led the crucial strike himself) and as one of the central themes of the movie states humanity has united as one race and is pulling in one direction now.

Once again.. the movie is a total fantasy but if we keep in that area i don't find it unfeasible that humans could build a base on the moon in the 20 years after the attack.

What is preventing us from going to the moon or Mars today? Costs.. it's just too expensive for pure research, government funded space trips. We could do it easily if we didn't care about the costs and would use a fraction of the world's military spending.

Now throw in alien interstellar technology and landing on the moon should be a cakewalk. Who know what else this technology could improve?
Given that humanity now knows it's not alone in this universe and that at least one alien race is very hostile i can fully believe that we would get our asses in gear and went frantically to work reverse engineering the tech and putting it to good use.

Just look at the Middle East, especially Dubai, and what they accomplished in 20 years when money is not an issue and enhance this with alien technology possibilities and you have got ID: Resurgence.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The death toll is likely to be in excess of well over a billion, nearly every major human city was destroyed utterly at once

Well, we don't know if every major city was destroyed. I'm sure a few could have survived. And those that were wiped out could be rebuilt (although that would take MUCH longer than 20 years - this not being the Trek universe and all ).

Well yeah. I thought if we ever got a sequel, we'd see an enormous rebuilding effort with new borders and struggling societies. Not some global community with a space fleet ready to attack back, that's stretching things.

I mean how long would it take to even start taking one of those city ships apart, nevermind 50.

Most of the cities were being evacuated voluntarily even before the order was given to leave and before they were destroyed (except for the idiots who went to stand under the ships, those who didn't or couldn't leave, and those stuck in traffic), and by the time of the second wave of city strikes, the cities were mostly evacuated (stated in the film). So you're going to have hundreds of millions of refugees with no homes and no jobs, and now suddenly giant flying saucers crashed on their cities. It's a massive worldwide public works project.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

After all these years of false starts, it's good to see some actual movement on this project. Of course, my excitement for this is helped largely because Jeff Goldblum, Judd Hirsch and Brent Spiner (which I didn't expect, but delighted nonetheless) are all returning. I don't care that Will Smith didn't return and would've felt same if Bill Pullman didn't return either. Honestly, I'm more bummed out Adam Baldwin didn't come back and the two kids were recast even though there's no need for it.

 

[JD]

The longer hair comment could mean he's been in a coma.

He'll still be out of touch since he missed the last 20 years. He'll awake when the next wave arrives.

The longer hair comment could mean he's been in a coma.

He'll still be out of touch since he missed the last 20 years. He'll awake when the next wave arrives.

That makes a lot of sense. He's still got a connection to the aliens and senses their approach, waking up, giving the humans a bit of advanced warning to organize. Plus, it still allows him to provide exposition about their motives and actions. Good call.

Him waking up for a coma would also be a great excuse for a big exposition dump about the state of the world 20 years after the invasion.
I love the first ID4, so I'm really looking forward to this one.

 

[HIjol]

The host is awful... But I'm happy to see and hear news of the movie... I forgot it was being filmed here in NM...

You can see the reaction and hear it in Spiner's voice when he, rather abruptly, asks the "Host"' "...so, what is your question?"
The "Host" is awful!

Will they now use iPhones to hack the aliens?

I love the movie for the sheer stupidty of it and i like to see shit blown up from time to time so i'm definitely in. If it's good.. awesome, if it's bad i hope it's so bad that it actually becomes good again

No, Blackberries! No one will see that coming!

''Moon Tug''

20 some years and they have a space defense force and a moon mech?

Seems fast doesn't it?

Considering they spent 50 years and couldn't even start a alien spaceship

Maybe it's because they have more tech to experiment with after all the motherships crashed down

<suspending moontugs full of disbelief>

The miltary aspect of this race was nuked, the rest exploded. What's left isn't going to want to wage a war since they are now left without their resource extraction technology, they're weak and defenceless too, why pick a fight?

The death toll is likely to be in excess of well over a billion, nearly every major human city was destroyed utterly at once, the most populated ones had people gathering to each ground zero.

There's no money, no food, no water, no homes. Governments can't do anything to restore order as the military is gone, and no one is any more important than any other now.

I mean hell America now everyone shoots anyone in their way, imagine the world left after the aliens, government mowing down anyone who doesn't obey, citizens exerting their right to any left over resources etc

Moonbases and starships just a few years after that? alien invasions and Apple devices accomplishing something useful is worlds more believable than that.

God Bless America and Her Abject Abilities!

Honestly, I'm more interested in hearing how Dr Okun is still around, than with turning it into an allegory of Hurricane Katrina.

No, see, some old prospector guy found Okun's head in an abandoned mind shaft, and there were these Energy Creatures, cousins of the ID4 Aliens, with Blackberries, and...

 

[Random_Spock]

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PW_QDmZRaw[/yt]

I love it that the entire cast is back. A pity Will Smith isn't.

I thought WS was pretty good in the original ID4 but I never once thought he'd be back for this. He's much too big a star now. I wonder if he was even asked.

But what I'm wondering is, what about Robert Loggia? General Grey was my favorite character in ID4. If Loggia is still with us, he's probably retired now, but it'd be cool if he could come back...

Exactly.

But tbh though, I'm not all that interested in the sequel *shrugs*. Things seemed to be pretty much wrapped up.

 

[Servo]

No, see, some old prospector guy found Okun's head in an abandoned mind shaft, and there were these Energy Creatures, cousins of the ID4 Aliens, with Blackberries, and...

 

[Samurai8472]

Roland Emmerich explains why Will Smith didn't come back

http://collider.com/independence-day-2-why-will-smith-opted-out/

“Well, you know, like near the very beginning, I wanted to work with him and he was very excited to be in it, but then after a while, you know, he just was tired of sequels and he did another science fiction film, which was his father-son story, so he opted out. I was first very disappointed, but then actually a couple friends told me, ‘Well, this could be a great chance to try something new,’ and I said, ‘Hm, maybe I should.’ It took me three years to figure that one out, but actually at the end I figured it out and now it’s like a handover. We deal with the disappearance of Will Smith – I don’t want to give it away – but in a very kind of respectful manner and he’s still part of this universe, but it’s mainly kind of a little bit a handover from the old generation to the new.”

 

[Mr. Adventure]

But the host is extremely annoying.

I thought for sure it was a parody but then it wasn't....

 

[Doctorwhovian]

No news on Margaret Colin as Constance, David's ex-wife? Although I suppose it's possible the Joey King character is the daughter. Haven't seen the whole interview thing yet so I'm not sure.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I just checked IMDB. Robert Loggia is still alive (he's 85) and working! Don't know if he was asked to be in this, but his IMDB listing doesn't have it, so I'm guessing not.

 

[marillion]

Yeah.. I can't remember what I saw him in recently, but I know I remarked to myself just how old looking he had become.. And then I remembered that ID4 was 20 years ago (insert Yoda comment about age here)... I can't honestly think of what role he could honestly play at this point.. His character would have long since retired and hopefully he's enjoying time on a beach somewhere.

 

[FreezeC77]

Roland Emmerich explains why Will Smith didn't come back

http://collider.com/independence-day-2-why-will-smith-opted-out/

“Well, you know, like near the very beginning, I wanted to work with him and he was very excited to be in it, but then after a while, you know, he just was tired of sequels and he did another science fiction film, which was his father-son story, so he opted out. I was first very disappointed, but then actually a couple friends told me, ‘Well, this could be a great chance to try something new,’ and I said, ‘Hm, maybe I should.’ It took me three years to figure that one out, but actually at the end I figured it out and now it’s like a handover. We deal with the disappearance of Will Smith – I don’t want to give it away – but in a very kind of respectful manner and

he’s still part of this universe, but it’s mainly kind of a little bit a handover from the old generation to the new.”

Sounds like Will Smiths char could be the Hikaru Ichijyo(Macross)/Rick Hunter(Robotech).

Hero pilot in an alien attack on Earth who disappears.

 

[JD]

They've been focusing so much on the fact that he's not in the movie, that I'm almost starting to wonder if it's all a big misdirect and he's actually going to have a surprise cameo or something.

 

[nx1701g]

They've been focusing so much on the fact that he's not in the movie, that I'm almost starting to wonder if it's all a big misdirect and he's actually going to have a surprise cameo or something.

I've been thinking about that too and it makes sense. A surprise reveal would make sense and would be a word of mouth attention getter.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

So why did Mae Whitman, who is a talented and fairly popular actress now, get replaced with some bimbo?

 

[JarodRussell]

Most important for me would be that David Arnold returns as the composer. I absolutely love the ID4 score.

 

[DWF]

Where's Adam Baldwin though? This is really happening though, I was truely thinking Emmerich was all talk, maybe the Stargate reboot will also happen now.

 

[nx1701g]

So why did Mae Whitman, who is a talented and fairly popular actress now, get replaced with some bimbo?

Question of the day...

I recall when the cast was announced there was some talk about that on Twitter and Facebook.

 

[JWPlatt]

The general answer is not the right kind of "hot."

And I guess you can take the point of view that Hollywood is to blame, or that audiences vote with their pocketbooks what they want to see and Hollywood simply responds to that. Regardless of what's right and fair or what's politically correct, the reality is often different than the ideal.