In the future of Syntehol, is there underage drinking?

[Michael Two Wolves]

“Well grab me a few Bajoran Special Reserves on the way over so we can rip apart this shuttle to see if we can get it past warp two,” should be a line in Star Trek, somewhere.

I mean, the 20th century had Schlitz and Pontiac GTOs. What does the 24th century offer teenagers? Lmao

 

[fireproof78]

Calculus.

And the holodeck.

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

Yawn.

And boring af.


Not everyone enjoys video games and not everyone wants to enter Starfleet or get a degree in advanced mathematics.

Where are the blue collar kids? Oh, right, the Marxist wet dream of the Federation has eliminated the middle class and everyone lives wealthy, healthy and hale in a utopian dream. Gone are the grease monkeys and welders and mechanics, replaced by the nanny state of the Federation and its replicators and holodecks.

 

[fireproof78]

Yawn.

And boring af.

In the TNG era?

I am shocked, shocked, I say.

has eliminated the middle class and everyone lives wealthy, healthy and hale in a utopian dream. Gone are the grease monkeys and welders and mechanics, replaced by the nanny state of the Federation and its replicators and holodecks.

Yes.

That's how the 24th century works. You want adventure you work out on the fringes.

But how do you rebel against paradise?

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

It’s not paradise. It’s a gilded cage.

Not everyone wants to be mainstream and attend Starfleet. Some want to explore on their own and do their own thing. Very little room for that unless your hobby is approved by Starfleet.

 

[fireproof78]

It’s not paradise. It’s a gilded cage.

Not everyone wants to be mainstream and attend Starfleet. Some want to explore on their own and do their own thing. Very little room for that unless your hobby is approved by Starfleet.

Um, no.

People can do whatever they want. Have a vineyard, go on archeological digs, start a colony, attend conferences.

It’s not paradise. It’s a gilded cage.

Depends on your perspective. You want risk go to the colonies.

The rest are given all that they need and contribute to the benefit of humanity. That is the purpose.

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

Except that’s not how human psychology works. We don’t like to be given things because then it’s unearned. That’s why it’s a pipe dream. Humans are all very different beings with very different wants and needs.

I don’t want risk. I want to work a 9-5 at the shop, come home, and tinker on my Saab. Pretty sure there’s gonna be plenty of people in the future who want the same.

What, you’re gonna exile them to the Colonies because they want to do a Star Trek version of a burnout once in a while and have some fun? Pff.

Again, I get the show’s premise, but it would be nice to see a show where we get to explore the world in greater depth through the eyes of people common to ourselves. Yeah, there will be people who want to captain starships, and there will be people who want to just play their music loud and tinker in a hobby while throwing back a few PBRs.

 

[Shawnster]

Calculus.

And the holodeck.

Yawn.

And boring af.


Not everyone enjoys video games

What do you want to do that can't be done on the holodeck? Calling it "video games" is really narrow minded and dismissive.

The holodeck can simulate any environment. A person can swim, mountain bike, ski, rock climb, fly, solve puzzles, play pool, play cards, whatever a person wants.

It’s not paradise. It’s a gilded cage.

Not everyone wants to be mainstream and attend Starfleet. Some want to explore on their own and do their own thing. Very little room for that unless your hobby is approved by Starfleet.

This statement is based on facts not in evidence. Really, there are few examples of non-Starfleet people and activities. The few examples we do have actually contradict your assumption. The SS Vico (NAR-18834) from TNG "Hero Worship" was not a Starfleet ship, nor were the scientists on the ship Starfleet personnel. Likewise, the USS Raven (NAR-32450) was another civilian exploration ship used by civilians to study the Borg.

Pike contemplated leaving Starfleet and becoming a civilian trader or going into business on Regulus. We see many other traders and freight operators throughout all Star Trek series.

In addition to the above civilian scientists on the Raven and Vico, we see archaelogicists like Roger Korby, the Craters, or Professor Galen. Richard Daystrom was a civilian scientist and computer engineer.

Plenty of civilians go on the adventure of colonizing new planets. This is definitely not 100% safe. Other civilians tend bar or run pleasure planets.

We run the gamut in Star Trek from blue collar bartenders, farmers, restauranteers, and construction workers to white collar professors, scientists, and politicians.

I don’t want risk. I want to work a 9-5 at the shop, come home, and tinker on my Saab. Pretty sure there’s gonna be plenty of people in the future who want the same.

What, you’re gonna exile them to the Colonies because they want to do a Star Trek version of a burnout once in a while and have some fun? Pff.

So, you can work 9-5 building starships, stomping grapes, working at a restaurant, or raising the ocean floor, then come home and tinker on your 300 year old car. And that's on Earth, not a distant colony.

 

[fireproof78]

Except that’s not how human psychology works. We don’t like to be given things because then it’s unearned. That’s why it’s a pipe dream. Humans are all very different beings with very different wants and needs.

That's the nature of the show, though. You have examples of people on the fringes but they are just that-on the fringes.

I don’t want risk. I want to work a 9-5 at the shop, come home, and tinker on my Saab. Pretty sure there’s gonna be plenty of people in the future who want the same.

So, do that. That's literally Rutheford on Lower Decks.

What, you’re gonna exile them to the Colonies because they want to do a Star Trek version of a burnout once in a while and have some fun? Pff.

No. Again, benefit to themselves and all of humanity.

Again, I get the show’s premise, but it would be nice to see a show where we get to explore the world in greater depth through the eyes of people common to ourselves. Yeah, there will be people who want to captain starships, and there will be people who want to just play their music loud and tinker in a hobby while throwing back a few PBRs.

That's not the premise of the show. The idea is an optimistic future were people cooperate and mutually support each other while exploring the stars.

And every time we get hints of something different the response is "It's not Star Trek!"

Sounds like you would prefer Dr. Servin's group over Captain Kirk.

What, exactly, do you find lacking in the civilian realm?

Beers and illegal activities it sounds like.

 

[1001001]

Where are the blue collar kids? Oh, right, the Marxist wet dream of the Federation has eliminated the middle class and everyone lives wealthy, healthy and hale in a utopian dream. Gone are the grease monkeys and welders and mechanics, replaced by the nanny state of the Federation and its replicators and holodecks.

 

[fireproof78]

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Don't worry. I have special glasses for that.

 

[valkyrie013]

So for some reason just seeing this thread.. hehe..
my 2 cents.. Synthehol is like regular alcohol, but it can be easily dispatched by say a glass of water or some concoction you can get in any replicator, so drink all you want, red alert sounds, you down a cup of wake up juice, and bobs your uncle.

 

[fireproof78]

So for some reason just seeing this thread.. hehe..
my 2 cents.. Synthehol is like regular alcohol, but it can be easily dispatched by say a glass of water or some concoction you can get in any replicator, so drink all you want, red alert sounds, you down a cup of wake up juice, and bobs your uncle.

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[cooleddie74]

[*Enters thread*]



[*Shows I.D., buys two six-packs of Bold Rock hard cider and leaves with an eyeroll and a sigh*]

 

[cooleddie74]

For what it's worth, Raffi in PIC isn't living a healthy life in paradise. She dwells in the 2399 version of a trailer home in the middle of the desert somewhere and has drug habits that helped ruin her Starfleet career. For a "Marxist wet dream" the Federation sure seems to have its share of equality and happiness problems.

Also, DS9 called. It has a thing or ten to say.

 

[fireproof78]

For what it's worth, Raffi in PIC isn't living a healthy life in paradise. She dwells in the 2399 version of a trailer home in the middle of the desert somewhere and has drug habits that helped ruin her Starfleet career. For a "Marxist wet dream" the Federation sure seems to have its share of equality and happiness problems.

Is there a promise of happiness in the Federation? Or only that you will work yourself to benefit you and humanity but are not required to do so? So, you get the basics, but that's it.

Are we wanting to see some of the deadbeats of the Federation?

 

[cooleddie74]

Beats always hearing about the "paradise" of Earth. Bring it on.

 

[1001001]

Are we wanting to see some of the deadbeats of the Federation?

Fuck no.

 

[cooleddie74]

For the record, Marxist Wet Dream is my favorite Pornhub video.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There are still blue-collar "grease monkey" types in Trek. Nils Pitcairn from TOS ("The Cage"), Sergey Rozhenko, Miles O'Brien, possibly many others. So there is room for that type of person as well.

I mean seriously. Chief Pitcairn, for example, would not exactly look out of place as a 1930's garage mechanic. Exactly the type of character I'd love to play!

And for the record I would hesitate to call the Federation "marxist" or "socialist" or most other types of "ist". For one simple reason: The Federation is a democracy, and socialism is incompatible with democracy (it requires everything to be owned, controlled and planned by the government, and I honestly don't see the Federation that way).