Non-alcoholic ones. Works for me. I don't drink.
In the future of Syntehol, is there underage drinking?
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Non-alcoholic ones. Works for me. I don't drink.
Drinking alcohol is an interesting thing. I was allowed to have wine and wine coolers as a kid, so I never had the urge to go drinking as a teen/young adult. I have alcoholism in my family, so I very rarely have drank to excess. Since I've been losing weight over the past 2 years, my drinking is waaaay down (empty calories), but I do still enjoy the taste of some things. I had a lot of tasty cocktails on my cruise recently. 
So I'm one who would probably drink synthehol if the taste was the same.
So I'm one who would probably drink synthehol if the taste was the same.
Is there underage drinking in the criminal underworld? Discuss.
After giving the matter some thought, I’m going to say ‘maybe?’.
Nods head in contemplative agreement.
Doesn't Shaw describe himself as a "grease monkey from Chicago" in Picard S3?
Also wouldn't you argue the likes of O'Brien are very much of the working class mould?
How is it a bad thing that people no longer have to worry about feeding their family?
There is still a working class, they just aren't being held down by bullshit neoliberal economic policies
The realism in an older teen drinking a can of beer while working on a project skimmer (car? Shuttle?) is much more accessible and relatable to people than Wes going away to Starfleet school. Yes, we have a West Point equivalent but that’s less than 1% of the population. Whereas the majority of us all have experienced sipping pilfered beer and watching someone work on a car.
I would love to see O’Brien flashbacks to him covered in grease as he pulls drive cores…so I could see the drive cores and technical bits of greebles that comprise the “engines” of a skimmer as he shotguns a cold beer. Just give us a close up of the beer brand and then feature in-universe commercials for that brand playing on the backgrounds and on advertisements to build depth. That technique is pure gravy in building realism. Then you have an in-universe brand to reference back to kids like Wes as their mother admonishes, “Don’t be sneaking off to go chug Ferengi Special Reserves [or whatever brand name] behind the school, either!”
Which really just made me realize what is missing from Star Trek: advertisement billboards. It’s like all advertising for anything went away and everything just became one size fits all. Every time you see Picard go down to a world, there’s no ads plastered on walls, no tv commercials on view screens, etc. I think that’s the source of the odd sterility of Star Trek. Even in the Federation, there would be corporate brands and advertisements, especially since tv was made for it and it’s likely the first SolidLight holodeck will be too.
And I agree, I like Star Trek being Star Trek, I just wish they’d add a bit more drama, I guess, though in fairness I haven’t watched much of the new stuff after the whole alternate timelines debacle.
Edit: also, about the mercenary bit—there’s no reason to think Starfleet doesn’t or wouldn’t use privateers if it came down to a war, especially one against a formidable enemy like the Romulans or the Borg. One doesn’t always need money in exchange for merc work—a pardon could do just the same.
I would love to see O’Brien flashbacks to him covered in grease as he pulls drive cores…so I could see the drive cores and technical bits of greebles that comprise the “engines” of a skimmer as he shotguns a cold beer. Just give us a close up of the beer brand and then feature in-universe commercials for that brand playing on the backgrounds and on advertisements to build depth. That technique is pure gravy in building realism. Then you have an in-universe brand to reference back to kids like Wes as their mother admonishes, “Don’t be sneaking off to go chug Ferengi Special Reserves [or whatever brand name] behind the school, either!”
Which really just made me realize what is missing from Star Trek: advertisement billboards. It’s like all advertising for anything went away and everything just became one size fits all. Every time you see Picard go down to a world, there’s no ads plastered on walls, no tv commercials on view screens, etc. I think that’s the source of the odd sterility of Star Trek. Even in the Federation, there would be corporate brands and advertisements, especially since tv was made for it and it’s likely the first SolidLight holodeck will be too.
And I agree, I like Star Trek being Star Trek, I just wish they’d add a bit more drama, I guess, though in fairness I haven’t watched much of the new stuff after the whole alternate timelines debacle.
Edit: also, about the mercenary bit—there’s no reason to think Starfleet doesn’t or wouldn’t use privateers if it came down to a war, especially one against a formidable enemy like the Romulans or the Borg. One doesn’t always need money in exchange for merc work—a pardon could do just the same.
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Riker said that they no longer enslave animals for food.
Yeast is almost an animal.
I would have thought that Synthetic Alcohol would get you as drunk or drunker than regular alcohol, it's just nice that animals were not enslaved for their byproducts during the making of this booze.
Yeast is almost an animal.
I would have thought that Synthetic Alcohol would get you as drunk or drunker than regular alcohol, it's just nice that animals were not enslaved for their byproducts during the making of this booze.
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Lmao “Enslave animals for food.” What Ferengi do you have to know to get a genuine Angus tenderloin steak? 
Lmao “Enslave animals for food.” What Ferengi do you have to know to get a genuine Angus tenderloin steak?
TNG 108 The lonely among us.
"Dipshit from Chicago" is what he calls himself.
It has been stated multiple times there is no advertising in the Federation. Indeed, in time travel episodes where characters see ads or commercials, they always react with "WTF is this?" The current shows have leaned into this, showing advertising on other planets, but still with the Starfleet/Federation characters acting perplexed over the concept.
Indeed, this was even a critical plot point in the most recent episode of Lower Decks.
Because beer is what is typically drank by teens who aren’t on a mission of self-annihilation. Beer is pedestrian and accessible. It’s the first experience most people have with alcohol and it’s as ubiquitous as street lights.
Yeah, that sterility is it. That’s why it feels so strange to other worlds like that of Blade Runner or Star Wars. What makes it worse is that in episodes of TNG when they beam down to non-federation worlds, we still find a lack of advertising. It ends up feeling like a soundstage.
Yeah, that sterility is it. That’s why it feels so strange to other worlds like that of Blade Runner or Star Wars. What makes it worse is that in episodes of TNG when they beam down to non-federation worlds, we still find a lack of advertising. It ends up feeling like a soundstage.
TNG didn't exactly have an exorbitant budget. They couldn't really make their planets feel like anything other than a soundstage unless it was one of the handful of times they could do location shooting.
In that clip from ST IV I like to think that Kirk is not unfamiliar with beer, he was just served something very common and bland, like Bud Light. That's why he's like "eeewwww!" 
In that clip from ST IV I like to think that Kirk is not unfamiliar with beer, he was just served something very common and bland, like Bud Light. That's why he's like "eeewwww!"
It was Michelob. They said that in the scene.
I'll tell you what. I'll gladly let my teen have a beer now to stop all the fucking teens and their path of self destruction that keeps me working and safety planning.
It is not a Marxist wet dream for teens to feel accepted and cared for by society and not driven to destruction.
Yes, give me that.
Sorry. Sore subject when I just did risk assessment and safety planning with a teen. It's not cutesy drama for a TV ahow.
The Federation being a Marxist wet dream was a tangent conversation in parallels with the topic at hand so I’m not sure why you’re conflating them.
Also, beer is a lot less self-destructive than a teen who does Jose Cuervo shooters; most teens I knew who stole a beer from dad all grew up to be working class men of untarnished stature. Therefore, boys being boys and stealing a beer isn’t the end of the world that alarmists and drama seekers would have us believe, especially since historically, children drank beer just as much as the adults because water purification didn’t become a thing until after the Industrial Revolution. Germany had a kinderbier that was watered down ale. Alcohol kills cholera and dysentery bacteria which is why it was preferred over water, which could cause people to become sick.
Moreover, just because a teen steals a beer to go shotgun with friends while hanging out down by the lake doesn’t automatically imply that those teens are somehow in crisis and need to be cared for. Teenagers do dumb shit because their brain isn’t finished growing in the regions that govern impulse control. Stealing a beer is part of that.
And statistically, at-risk teens are a small percentage of the population and wouldn’t be proper material for Star Trek in the first place. We are discussing alcohol in the context of teen impulsiveness and the arrogance of youth, not in the context of broken families and hard liquor pills to anaesthetize the traumatized.
Also, beer is a lot less self-destructive than a teen who does Jose Cuervo shooters; most teens I knew who stole a beer from dad all grew up to be working class men of untarnished stature. Therefore, boys being boys and stealing a beer isn’t the end of the world that alarmists and drama seekers would have us believe, especially since historically, children drank beer just as much as the adults because water purification didn’t become a thing until after the Industrial Revolution. Germany had a kinderbier that was watered down ale. Alcohol kills cholera and dysentery bacteria which is why it was preferred over water, which could cause people to become sick.
Moreover, just because a teen steals a beer to go shotgun with friends while hanging out down by the lake doesn’t automatically imply that those teens are somehow in crisis and need to be cared for. Teenagers do dumb shit because their brain isn’t finished growing in the regions that govern impulse control. Stealing a beer is part of that.
And statistically, at-risk teens are a small percentage of the population and wouldn’t be proper material for Star Trek in the first place. We are discussing alcohol in the context of teen impulsiveness and the arrogance of youth, not in the context of broken families and hard liquor pills to anaesthetize the traumatized.
Then don't call it self destruction .
None of this behavior sounds healthy.
Then remove the thread entirely since the topic is so “inappropriate,” and triggering for some. The title clearly asks whether it exists or not, and that question necessarily must include the reasoning behind it.
Reality says that teens will drink well before the age of majority for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with trauma and everything to do with social acceptance and finding their place in society. Teens are dumb; common sense doesn’t kick in until after 25 and you realize that waking up with a hangover is a great teacher on why you shouldn’t drink to excess.
Reality says that teens will drink well before the age of majority for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with trauma and everything to do with social acceptance and finding their place in society. Teens are dumb; common sense doesn’t kick in until after 25 and you realize that waking up with a hangover is a great teacher on why you shouldn’t drink to excess.
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