...wait!...oh, Jesus...you mean...Trelane was NOT played by Liberace???...oh, Christ...all these years...and that trivia contest I lost...ah, crap...never mind...
In the Federation everyone has an elevated cultural taste?
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...wait!...oh, Jesus...you mean...Trelane was NOT played by Liberace???...oh, Christ...all these years...and that trivia contest I lost...ah, crap...never mind...
Don't be silly. Everybody knows that Liberace played Khan.
Yep the Klingon heavy metal and the surly Klingon teens picking up wannabe Klingon human.
And while Tom Paris likes lots of lowbrow stuff that stuff is ancient history. It would be seen as an obscure interest rather than pop culture.
The closest to unrefined we get is provided by the Ferengi. Vulcan Love Slave program, Quark's action figures, Quark's advertising jingles. Yeah humans do act like they are too good for that sort of thing.
<shew!> ...I knew he played one of those characters...but losing that "Ladies Guild of Star Trek" trivia contest cost me some primo candlestick holders that my Mom would have loved!...ah, well...
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I don't know, there was always something about human Trek culture that came off stuffy and repressed.
In The Mind's Eye La Forge was alone in a shuttle, traveling to Risa. He starts to get bored, so to pass away the time what does he do? He requests for the computer to play a verbal game.
And this is the game;
Doesn't that seem a bit boring for a computer with 24th century technology? He's supposed to have an advanced computer with tons of memory, speed and graphics technology.
There' no social media? No future version of Youtube? No future version of webpages or blogs to browse?
With all the different cultures and planets there would be tons of videos, people to communicate with or information or news to look at.
And what about video games, movies, live entertainment viewing. (since TV doesn't exist anymore.)
Early TNG at least, seemed to be saying that the only entertainment people enjoyed were the higher arts-- plays, concerts, playing instruments etc.
And that contemporary things is primitive and obsolete. It did seem like it was trying to live up to an ideal of what the 'higher' cultural ideals were for a future society...
Look at the beverages they drink, and clothes they wear for example....
I always figured movies and video games, etc, were rendered entirely obsolete by Holoprograms, which then has the unintended side effect that anyone who is not close enough to access a holodeck/holosuite (like a starfleet officer on a small ship in deep space) has had their options unintentionally but severely limited by the mainstream tastes which prevent new movies et al from being made. It is possible that the database would contain old movies that one could watch - but not everyone would want to (the starfleet officers themselves may be just as biased against 2d entertainment), and I'd say it's probably doubtful whether anyone would bother to upload that sort of thing into a shuttle's onboard computer. And therefore they stick with intergalactic radio and the 24th century equivalent of Sporcle.
On the next episode of Star Trek Voyager, The Three Stooges are somehow beamed aboar...oooops, sorry...wrong Thread...
Better still would have been for Riker to constantly slap Picard on the back of the head, like Benny Hill used to do with that short bald guy on his show.It would've been cool to see him constantly slap Harry around like Moe did Curly.
How often has any futuristic sci-fi featured people that are fans of any recognizable 20th century pop-culture (music, movies, videogames)? it doesn't happen often.
The Steppenwolf Magic Carpet Ride snippet from First Contact is the only case I know of where someone from the future (albeit not all the way into the TOS or TNG time-period) is enjoying a recognizable copyrighted track. The TNG crew also seem to turn their nose up at it.
The Steppenwolf Magic Carpet Ride snippet from First Contact is the only case I know of where someone from the future (albeit not all the way into the TOS or TNG time-period) is enjoying a recognizable copyrighted track. The TNG crew also seem to turn their nose up at it.
OT, but don't count on the Beach Boys and Madonna EVER entering the public domain. Or Trek for that matter. The way the mega entertainment corps like, oh, CBS keep lobbying for copyrights to be extended into what is, effectively, infinity.
well, there's this from TVH:
SPOCK: Your use of language has altered since our arrival. It is currently laced with, ...shall I say, ...more colorful metaphors. 'Double dumb ass on you' ...and so forth.
KIRK: You mean profanity. That's simply the way they talk here. Nobody pays any attention to you if you don't swear every other word. You'll find it in all the literature of the period.
SPOCK: For example?
KIRK: Oh, the collective works of Jacqueline Susann. The novels of Harold Robbins.
SPOCK: Ah! ...'The giants'.
Although in quotes here, Spock in no wise speaks in a way that calls his use of the word "giants" into question. He means that Jacqueline Susann and Harold Robbins (20th century writers of dreck) are literary giants in the 23rd century. So unfortunately, while funny, this usage isn't 23rd-century enjoyment of 21st- century entertainment for the hoi polloi (although that's what it is to us), but the 23rd century elevating 21st century-shite to 23rd-century classic status.
SPOCK: Your use of language has altered since our arrival. It is currently laced with, ...shall I say, ...more colorful metaphors. 'Double dumb ass on you' ...and so forth.
KIRK: You mean profanity. That's simply the way they talk here. Nobody pays any attention to you if you don't swear every other word. You'll find it in all the literature of the period.
SPOCK: For example?
KIRK: Oh, the collective works of Jacqueline Susann. The novels of Harold Robbins.
SPOCK: Ah! ...'The giants'.
Although in quotes here, Spock in no wise speaks in a way that calls his use of the word "giants" into question. He means that Jacqueline Susann and Harold Robbins (20th century writers of dreck) are literary giants in the 23rd century. So unfortunately, while funny, this usage isn't 23rd-century enjoyment of 21st- century entertainment for the hoi polloi (although that's what it is to us), but the 23rd century elevating 21st century-shite to 23rd-century classic status.
Kirk from the Abramsverse likes listening to The Beastie Boys....and Sisko likes jazz, AFAIK. And, yes, Tom Paris seems to like a lot of things from Earth's past...
Tastes vary.
Scotty Prime (or the Scotty we think of 'Scotty Prime') spends his free time reading Engineering manuals.....and the single hottie that catches his eye.
Tastes vary.
Scotty Prime (or the Scotty we think of 'Scotty Prime') spends his free time reading Engineering manuals.....and the single hottie that catches his eye.
For music he order up some Spanish guitar, not Bach.
I'll give points to Laforge for choosing Spanish Guitar. For those that aren't familiar with it, Spanish guitar sounds really laid-back and nice.
I thought that was a possibility, but there have to be a vast majority of situations where a person will be away from a holodeck, so it would be logical to have some other type of interactive past times available.
People often stay occupied for hours playing apps on an Android. Imagine playing them with 24th century 3d technology.
Social Media. Youtube-like channels. Blogs. Chat. Movies. Why should pastimes like that be obsolete?
Like I said, Laforge is away from a holdeck on a shuttle alone with an advanced computer, so what does he do?
He plays super nerdy audio quiz games.
Seriously, would anyone here, alone in a shuttle with a computer like that, play scientific audio quiz games like that?
I get the notion that TNG was implying that Jazz was the contemporary music. It was the more risque and daring music compared to the classical.
Crusher liked plays, Worf opera, Data Charles Dickens plays, and the violin. Barcely liked 17th century fantasies.
Why did they avoid contemporary style entertainment like the plague so much?
For music he order up some Spanish guitar, not Bach.
I'll give points to Laforge for choosing Spanish Guitar. For those that aren't familiar with it, Spanish guitar sounds really laid-back and nice.
I thought that was a possibility, but there have to be a vast majority of situations where a person will be away from a holodeck, so it would be logical to have some other type of interactive past times available.
People often stay occupied for hours playing apps on an Android. Imagine playing them with 24th century 3d technology.
Social Media. Youtube-like channels. Blogs. Chat. Movies. Why should pastimes like that be obsolete?
Like I said, Laforge is away from a holdeck on a shuttle alone with an advanced computer, so what does he do?
He plays super nerdy audio quiz games.
Seriously, would anyone here, alone in a shuttle with a computer like that, play scientific audio quiz games like that?
I get the notion that TNG was implying that Jazz was the contemporary music. It was the more risque and daring music compared to the classical.
Crusher liked plays, Worf opera, Data Charles Dickens plays, and the violin. Barcely liked 17th century fantasies.
Why did they avoid contemporary style entertainment like the plague so much?
Because then we the audience couldn't relate to it.
I always found Spock's 'giants' comment to be rather sardonic. Even if that's not the case, though, I think it's a very poor interpretation to say he means that those authors are literary giants in the 23rd century. At the absolute most, I would interpret it as him believing that those authors were the most popular authors of the 20th century.
NuBSG and Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watch Tower?"
Riker did seem to like mid-20th centriy jazz, nothing copywritten was on the show, but I believe he was supposed to be listening and play actual music from that time period.
In one episode of DS9, Jake is playing video dam-jat.
I tend to think padd-games exist, but brand names aren't as powerful as they are today. So you're not playing "Nintendo Damjat 2375 Super-ZiLode", you're just playing "Computerized damjat".
Riker, Sulu, Chekov, Scottie, Tom Paris, Harry Kim, O'Brien, and even Captain Sisko seemed very much like everymen to me. Kirk seems to have a basic frame of reference in literature, but is too into his job to be a well rounded person with lots of arty hobbies. The overwhelming popularity of holonovels (most of which probably revolved around either sex or general silliness) also shows that the world wasn't full of a bunch of Captain Picards.
That's an unusual case, since the show doesn't take place in the present or the future and Dylan and his music shouldn't exist, nor should anyone in the fleet be aware of it.
