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in the Abrams Star Trek movies, who knew about old man Spock?

Would there be any reason for Spock to be secretive? He wasn't from "the future" he was from, by their point of view, an alternate future. So there's nothing for him to spoil other than "oh this is what happened in my day which won't be your day but benefit from my wisdom."
Maybe he thinks he shouldn't spill the beans, but S31 would want to know about V'Ger, the Whale Probe, God, the destruction of Ceti Alpha 6, and the Borg--all things that would've happened or are out there regardless of the timeline changes.
 
Would there be any reason for Spock to be secretive? He wasn't from "the future" he was from, by their point of view, an alternate future. So there's nothing for him to spoil other than "oh this is what happened in my day which won't be your day but benefit from my wisdom."
No, probably not. And he will be focused on Vulcan so there's no obligation for him to disclose anything but he wouldn't withhold either.

Maybe he thinks he shouldn't spill the beans, but S31 would want to know about V'Ger, the Whale Probe, God, the destruction of Ceti Alpha 6, and the Borg--all things that would've happened or are out there regardless of the timeline changes.
Section 31 under Marcus is myopic then gutted by Khan. What they might be interested in from Spock was not something they focused on at all. And now they're dead.
 
Maybe he thinks he shouldn't spill the beans, but S31 would want to know about V'Ger, the Whale Probe, God, the destruction of Ceti Alpha 6, and the Borg--all things that would've happened or are out there regardless of the timeline changes.
Indeed, it would almost seem criminally negligent of Spock not to tell Starfleet about V'Ger and the Whale Probe, at least, given that they constitute existential threats.

The Borg is perhaps a little more complicated.
 
Would there be any reason for Spock to be secretive? He wasn't from "the future" he was from, by their point of view, an alternate future. So there's nothing for him to spoil other than "oh this is what happened in my day which won't be your day but benefit from my wisdom."

its because of the strict rules that the federation and star fleet have about time travel

thats why whenever someone from the enterprise on strange new worlds time traveled to the past they are not allowed to tell anybody else in federation about it because it breaks one of the main rules at federation and starfleet
 
its because of the strict rules that the federation and star fleet have about time travel

thats why whenever someone from the enterprise on strange new worlds time traveled to the past they are not allowed to tell anybody else in federation about it because it breaks one of the main rules at federation and starfleet
Voyager demonstrated that quite clearly with Past Tense, as well as Relativity. Or, as Doc Brown might note something about the consequences.
 
its because of the strict rules that the federation and star fleet have about time travel
When were these rules put in place? Old Spock showed up pre-TOS and that era Kirk and Spock aren't bound by rules not created by that time. And, again, since it's an alternate timeline, everything they do at that point is like you and me going through life right now.

thats why whenever someone from the enterprise on strange new worlds time traveled to the past they are not allowed to tell anybody else in federation about it because it breaks one of the main rules at federation and starfleet
Well, that isn't so much about "rules" as "don't say or do anything to disrupt the timeline." That's common sense, not a regulation. Kirk and Spock experienced it first hand in the original series when McCoy saved Edith Keeler.

Of course, they may have specifically mentioned this on SNW and I forgot because I've only seen each episode once. but since Bad Robot Trek was before that, they're not bound by it. By the time Spock arrived there, the alternate timeline was already in place, THAT Chris Pike had different experiences. Different rules were no doubt made.
 
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When were these rules put in place? Old Spock showed up pre-TOS and that era Kirk and Spock aren't bound by rules not created by that time. And, again, since it's an alternate timeline, everything they do at that point is like you and me going through life right now
Well, Spock left in the 24th century so some rules probably changed.
 
Well, that isn't so much about "rules" as "don't say or do anything to disrupt the timeline." That's common sense, not a regulation. Kirk and Spock experienced it first hand in the original series when McCoy saved Edith Keeler.

Being faces in the crowd at the soup kitchen and befriending/romancing a lonely woman who will die anyway and leave nothing behind to show they were ever there (not even a police record save for a footnote in some cop's beat report unless Spock went all "forget" on him) particularly in the days before everyone had a camera.
 
Being faces in the crowd at the soup kitchen and befriending/romancing a lonely woman who will die anyway and leave nothing behind to show they were ever there (not even a police record save for a footnote in some cop's beat report unless Spock went all "forget" on him) particularly in the days before everyone had a camera.
No my point was, McCoy changed history because he futzed with what was supposed to happen. You don't need a cell phone to change the course of history. But that wasn't a regulation. It was a general bit of common sense. "Don't step on the butterfly."
 
Regarding Prime Spock not revealing too much information about the future of his own timeline, in STID, he told Kelvinverse Spock, "As you know, I have made a vow never to give you information that could potentially alter your destiny. Your path is yours to walk, and yours alone." (as transcribed at chakoteya.net).

As a Federation Ambassador, he no doubt would have kept in mind any Federation guidelines from his time in the 24th century, as well as drawing from his own personal experiences with time travel.

But maybe there was some leeway, since he wasn't actually in the past of his own Prime timeline but in an alternate reality. General concepts of non-interference with a society's development should still come into play.

Kor
 
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