I'm so glad a lot of you are boycotting this...

[Matt]

Because that means I might be able to go to the theater with people who are there for entertainment and a good time, rather than people who are going to whisper BS about nonsense like why the warpfield wouldn't be stable because the nacelles aren't shaped right, or why young Kirk is too young, or this or that.

You have to remember that all the technobabble is just that. It's nice that in the later years, guys like Sternbach made all if it make sense, but all Treknology has a fictional KEYSTONE holding it all together... Like for example, warp drive makes sense in the way it's been explained, except for when you get down to the dilithium crystals which aren't real.

Anyway, for the folks saying, "I for one will not see this." GREAT! More seats for actual people to fill and enjoy this thing.

I sort of wish Gene was alive just so he could look into a camera and say, "THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. PERIOD." Sort of similar to the "Get a life!" god-smack that Shatner let loose.

And another thing... The "Extreme Trekfan Dollar" is laughable in Hollywood. If the revenue we could bring meant anything, they would have fixed any problems in the previous shows and movies, and we certainly wouldn't have had the cancellation of Enterprise.

JJ Abrams is doing the smart thing. He's going for fresh and new, at the same time throwing you plenty of bones so the mainstream viewer can enjoy it.

I swear, a lot of you must want New Voyages on the big screen or something. True, New Voyages is a superb production, and it perfectly caters to us fans, but even with a high budget a direct copy/continuation like that would be a disastrous flop on the big screen.

And while I'm at it, I'll thank Berman and Braga for the C+ years of Trek. If fans were running the show, and by some grace of God it wasn't cancelled in the first few years, by now we'd be watching some ridiculous NCX-1701-H with 900 torpedo launchers and "transquadrilateral warp reality drives" with Captain Bryce Dogood and his first officer 6of9. Next stop, Risa! PPV only! Ugh.

 

[Capt_Jason]

Well now...do you feel better?

 

[GothTrek]

Matt said:
Because that means I might be able to go to the theater with people who are there for entertainment and a good time, rather than people who are going to whisper BS about nonsense like why the warpfield wouldn't be stable because the nacelles aren't shaped right, or why young Kirk is too young, or this or that.

You have to remember that all the technobabble is just that. It's nice that in the later years, guys like Sternbach made all if it make sense, but all Treknology has a fictional KEYSTONE holding it all together... Like for example, warp drive makes sense in the way it's been explained, except for when you get down to the dilithium crystals which aren't real.

Anyway, for the folks saying, "I for one will not see this." GREAT! More seats for actual people to fill and enjoy this thing.

I sort of wish Gene was alive just so he could look into a camera and say, "THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. PERIOD." Sort of similar to the "Get a life!" god-smack that Shatner let loose.

And another thing... The "Extreme Trekfan Dollar" is laughable in Hollywood. If the revenue we could bring meant anything, they would have fixed any problems in the previous shows and movies, and we certainly wouldn't have had the cancellation of Enterprise.

JJ Abrams is doing the smart thing. He's going for fresh and new, at the same time throwing you plenty of bones so the mainstream viewer can enjoy it.

I swear, a lot of you must want New Voyages on the big screen or something. True, New Voyages is a superb production, and it perfectly caters to us fans, but even with a high budget a direct copy/continuation like that would be a disastrous flop on the big screen.

And while I'm at it, I'll thank Berman and Braga for the C+ years of Trek. If fans were running the show, and by some grace of God it wasn't cancelled in the first few years, by now we'd be watching some ridiculous NCX-1701-H with 900 torpedo launchers and "transquadrilateral warp reality drives" with Captain Bryce Dogood and his first officer 6of9. Next stop, Risa! PPV only! Ugh.

Hear hear! I couldn't have said it better myself!

Peter

 

[MattJC]

I think only a handful of us aren't happy about this movie, but I could be wrong about that.

 

[number6]

I'd say about 12 or so.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Matt said:
Because that means I might be able to go to the theater with people who are there for entertainment and a good time, rather than people who are going to whisper BS about nonsense like why the warpfield wouldn't be stable because the nacelles aren't shaped right, or why young Kirk is too young, or this or that.

You have to remember that all the technobabble is just that. It's nice that in the later years, guys like Sternbach made all if it make sense, but all Treknology has a fictional KEYSTONE holding it all together... Like for example, warp drive makes sense in the way it's been explained, except for when you get down to the dilithium crystals which aren't real.

Anyway, for the folks saying, "I for one will not see this." GREAT! More seats for actual people to fill and enjoy this thing.

I sort of wish Gene was alive just so he could look into a camera and say, "THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. PERIOD." Sort of similar to the "Get a life!" god-smack that Shatner let loose.

And another thing... The "Extreme Trekfan Dollar" is laughable in Hollywood. If the revenue we could bring meant anything, they would have fixed any problems in the previous shows and movies, and we certainly wouldn't have had the cancellation of Enterprise.

JJ Abrams is doing the smart thing. He's going for fresh and new, at the same time throwing you plenty of bones so the mainstream viewer can enjoy it.

I swear, a lot of you must want New Voyages on the big screen or something. True, New Voyages is a superb production, and it perfectly caters to us fans, but even with a high budget a direct copy/continuation like that would be a disastrous flop on the big screen.

And while I'm at it, I'll thank Berman and Braga for the C+ years of Trek. If fans were running the show, and by some grace of God it wasn't cancelled in the first few years, by now we'd be watching some ridiculous NCX-1701-H with 900 torpedo launchers and "transquadrilateral warp reality drives" with Captain Bryce Dogood and his first officer 6of9. Next stop, Risa! PPV only! Ugh.

Yes. By all means, enjoy a theatre filled with teenagers who are so enamored of their own idiot voices that they will not shut up for one second and let you actually hear the movie. And that's best case scenario. Far more likely, you'll be sitting in a half-empty (half-full) theatre and Monday's entertainment news will report a disasterous opening weekend.

As for my position vis-a-vis a boycott, I refer you to my sig:

 

[Matt]

I'll take teenagers any day over fat worthless slobs who debate "facts" about dilithium matrices.

 

[Kegek]

Hey!

I don't debate 'facts' about dilithium matrices!

Anyway, this is one fat worthless slob who just hopes the audience isn't raucuous. If you've ever been to a 1930s Ukrainian art film in Ireland, you'll get reams of drunken, boorish college students laughing incoherently at rural peasantry.

By comparison, teenagers are positively well-mannered.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Matt said:
I'll take teenagers any day over fat worthless slobs who debate "facts" about dilithium matrices.

God bless you, then.

 

[nostradamus]

If Trek aims for a new teenage audience who suddenly think Star Trek is cool, than they will fail anyway.

So the real question is: Will this movie bring back the audience that has been lost over the years.

I will see XI anyway just becaus I am so curious. But if a recast of an already established crew, a prequel and a crew as kids is the right thing to do with the fans ... well I just dont know.

But as Nimoy is in it, some people from the old days might show up in theaters, even more so if they add Shatner to the cast.

Nobody has to like this, but it is logical.

As much as I want this franchise to be successfull again, I doubt that a new and young audience is willing to see anything Trek. There will not be a theater full of teens.

Trekkies are of all ages. This will never change. No teenie peer group can be won over to our ranks because Trek ist not cool.

 

[Matt]

We need a trojan horse, people!

We need this to be a pop movie.

The idiot youth of America needs to be tricked into watching this stuff, so they might learn something from it about science, exploration, adventure, wonder.

Abrams won't destroy the Trek message. Come on. As long as we've got that, it's still Star Trek.

 

[Kegek]

Matt said:
The idiot youth of America needs to be tricked into watching this stuff

Whoa.

You're not going to endear your target by calling them 'the idiot youth', eh?

Why can't they target the intelligent, geeky youth? It must still exist, it certainly did when I was a youth (and that wasn't that long ago...) Those nerdy kids who bring their copy of Herodotus' Histories on holiday.

 

[Michael Chris]

I seriously don't even like Star Trek, anymore, but I am looking forward to this movie and most definitely not boycotting it.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

It's a little like hoping the movie bombs so you can prove your point : "See, I said all the time that the franchise was dead, and now you have it".

Me, I want it to be good, I want it to be successful, and I'm sure as hell going to watch it, so I can decide for myself whether I like it or not. Who cares about critics and previews? Some really great movies have idiotic previews, and others have great previews and are a complete waste of time.

It's Star Trek, so I'll give it a shot. It may sound stupid, but it's enough for me.

And one more time: I want to believe this is going to work, and I hope it does. Teenagers or not. I'm an incureable optimist.

 

[Franklin]

Brutal Strudel said:
As for my position vis-a-vis a boycott, I refer you to my sig:

I'll see Star Trek XI if--against all odds--it looks good from the previews and if the reviewers I more-or-less trust tell me it's good. I will neither see or not see it simply because I'm a Trekkie. That's just silly.

Which is exactly why I didn't go see, and have yet to see, "Nemesis". It didn't look good, and the reviews stunk.

I think to some this movie is the equivalent of a "Beatles" tribute band. However good it may be, it won't be the real thing.

 

[Cyke101]

Franklin said:
I think to some this movie is the equivalent of a "Beatles" tribute band. However good it may be, it won't be the real thing until Shatner's in it.

Lent you a hand there, bud.

 

[apostle83]

This thread is great. I love trek, but not for the tecnobabble... I love it because I like to make it fit together in my mind. Throw whatever you want at me... I will justify it and love it because it is trek!

 

[OmarB]

I don't like some of the choices on the new movie so far but I'll still go see it. I don't get this talk of a boycott, this is a Trek BB and we are all fans. I think that like me, most will go see it regardless of what they consider drawbacks because it's new Trek on the big screen. If it skews in a more friendly direction for a wider audience then so be it, Trek can't grow if it stays with the people who are already fans, it rather has to develop new fan.

 

[Balthier the Great]

Matt said:
We need a trojan horse, people!

We need this to be a pop movie.

The idiot youth of America needs to be tricked into watching this stuff, so they might learn something from it about science, exploration, adventure, wonder.

Abrams won't destroy the Trek message. Come on. As long as we've got that, it's still Star Trek.

I think you can attract teenagers without making it "trendy", which is something I think should be avoided. Trendy anything will get tossed aside as soon as the next "trend" comes along.

Good design is timeless.
Aiming at timelessness is a way to make yourself find the best answer: if you can imagine someone surpassing you, you should do it yourself. Some of the greatest masters did this so well that they left little room for those who came after. Every engraver since Durer has had to live in his shadow.

Aiming at timelessness is also a way to evade the grip of fashion. Fashions almost by definition change with time, so if you can make something that will still look good far into the future, then its appeal must derive more from merit and less from fashion.

Strangely enough, if you want to make something that will appeal to future generations, one way to do it is to try to appeal to past generations. It's hard to guess what the future will be like, but we can be sure it will be like the past in caring nothing for present fashions. So if you can make something that appeals to people today and would also have appealed to people in 1500, there is a good chance it will appeal to people in 2500.

Paul Graham Taste for Makers

sorry for the rather lengthy quote, but I think Paul Graham says it better than I could. Whatever the current trends are, they'll eventually go away, and anything that relies on being "trendy" rather than good is going to look like crap once the fashion changes again. How many of your kids laugh at beehive haircuts? I'm pretty sure that eventually the "cool" stuff of today will look silly, like some of the filmstyles of the 1970s.

A quality movie will last. We still watch Wizard of Oz, To Kill a Mockingbird, and Casablanca, even though most of those movies are ancient and out of style. I don't think we watch very many of the "hot trendy movies" from earlier times. They get dated, and since there was not much there beyond "the trend", they died.

 

[Lookingglassman]

I like anything Trek so I am going to see it. I dont get into all that technobabble canon loser argument stuff. I know Trek aint real and is pure entertainment.