I'm Not liking Where they are taking the Doctor
- Thread starter Dave Scarpa
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Meh. Maybe he would feel the same way about you, if you knew you. Who knows.
But, the Doctor killing, isn't anything new. The Doctor has always been a bit hypocritical about that.
A friend of mine sent that to me when it was first posted. I'd argue that blowing up a concrete wall and depressing cybermen to the point where their heads exploded in existential horror were far more violent uses of the sonic than deflecting ray gun blasts. "The man who never would," my ass.
It's been established that the Doctor lies.
Last episode really emphasized the negatives of the Doctor.
The idea of bad things happening to the Companion. Obviously, William Hartnell had two Companions or quasi-Companions die and there's Adric, so this isn't anything new. Still, it seems every time the Doctor has faith that things can work out, they don't. He accepted Donna with the idea that it would not go down the path of Rose and Martha and he was forced to erase her memory. Now Amy and the Doctor have to part on such somber terms. I'm guessing they'll be back (please no spoilers on this), but still...
I think it does sum up the Doctor. He opens your mind to the wonderful and unimaginable, but also the evil and danger of the universe.
I think it does sum up the Doctor. He opens your mind to the wonderful and unimaginable, but also the evil and danger of the universe.
I didn't remember that probe conversation. Makes Girl Who Waited funnier.
Exactly. Folks who say they "hate Moffat" for having a Doctor change his tune simply don't know the show. See Brain of Morbius for exhibit A. See also that one episode (I think it was Armageddon Factor) where the Doctor, while escaping a prison, breaks a guy's neck. See also the Sixth Doctor smothering the Androgum in The Two Doctors.
And, seriously - Last Great Time War. Hello?
All that "I'd never would" crap just refers to the Tenth Doctor's then-current philosophy. Either that or the Doctor is saying he'd never cap a disarmed guy with a pistol a la Jack Bauer. Said nothing about being attacked by a monster.
By the way, Day of the Moon is a bad example. I don't see the Doctor doing anything but stunning people. Look at the color of the bolts. It's all River. And splashing the Ganger? No different than splashing the Ganger Amy.
I loved RTD's treatment of the Doctor, but Moffat is simply bringing the character back to his roots (remember the First Doctor considering smashing the caveman over the head with the rock in An Unearthly Child?). Nine and Ten would never have destroyed the Time Lords and Daleks to end a war. Eleven would.
Alex
There's one green bolt at least. I don't know if it did anything. It certainly might not kill. Maybe just pushes them back. Certainly River didn't think he was very helpful.
I always just assumed that he was causing the consoles to explode, there was a lot of that.
I don't know what scene your talking about int The Armageddon Factor since that didn't happen in that story. And as for An Unearthly Child the Doctor is an anti-hero or least he was at the time, he basically kidnapped Ian and Barbara. But yeah the ten Doctor did deflect Gallifrey back to the end of the Time War so yes he's capable of just about anything except for using a gun which he meant I'm sure in The Doctor's Daughter.
