Spoilers I'm late and I just started Supergirl

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  1. Guy Gardener

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    There's a splash page in John Byrne's Man of Steel where Lara, Kara's aunt, sees her first Earthman remotely, and recoils in horror. Something about dirt under his finger nails and chest hair being barbaric and backward.

    Non is fuc#ing a robot, behind his psychopath terrorist wife's back, in season 1.

    What is Laura Vandervoort up to these days?

    (Google, google.)

    Working steadily. :)

    However...

    The ship from Superman the 1979 Movie said that the baby had been in flight for thousands of years. So I'm thinking Jor-El sent some care packages ahead of his kiddykins, to make sure that there would be something better than the dark ages waiting to nourish baby Kent.
     
  2. Skipper

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    It must be said that before Crisis Krypton in the comics Krypton was always represented as the perfect double of the ideal American society of the 50s: everyone is white, the men work and the women stay at home to have children.

    This is the famous scene where Jor-El talks to the Science Council.

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    These are the most important people on Krypton. How many woman do you count?

    And really, every time we meet a Kryptonian woman is always the mother of, the daughter of, the sister of... I struggle to remember any female Kryptonian character with any kind of agency.

    And the only time we meet a strong, independent woman from Krypton?

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    Yes, Kal, it figures...

    And think how Kryptonian surnames for women work: when they are maiden, they use the full father's name as a family name, then when they marry they take the husband's. It is probably only a legacy from when Kryptonian women were considered a man's property, but it is indicative that it survived until the destruction of the planet...

    And don't forget the headbands, which symbolized the status of a free citizen. A status that only Kryptonian men could wear.

    And what about black Kryptonian. Well, they were all segregated in one single island!!!
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    29th century Earth did the same thing. All their black people disappeared from an island into a dimensional pocket for years at a time. Although I think they were described as a super advanced Utopia who was not interested in slumming it with the rest of the Earth, which is trite and condescending, but no one seems to be bothered with Wakanda doing the same thing today.

    Astra and Alura, from CW's Supergirl, had hefty good jobs. General and Adjudicator/Member of the High Council of Argo. Although they are almost entirely to blame for the destruction of Ktypton, so how is that Feminism?

    Astra, despite being married, does not carry the name of her husband and neither does her husband, Non, carry the name of his house/family to pass on to his bride.

    The TV Show Krypton had plenty of black people.

    It's weird that Faora would wear a choker, which is symbolic of a collar, which you put a leash on. Is she a dom or a sub?
     
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  4. theenglish

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    DC had a lot of ground to make up in the seventies when it came to depiction of non-white characters. Black, Asian, Arabic, and Latino characters were often highly stereotyped well into the mid-eighties.

    As for Tyroc's story though, and I could be mis-remembering some things here, I believe that his people were escaped slaves that found the island after escaping the ship they were being transported on. They were not supposed to be the only black-skinned Earthers in the 30th century. Of course, any depiction of 30th century humans should include an array of skin tones with very light and very dark skins on the far ends of the Bell Curve. For all Bendis' attempts to include a more diverse Legion, he missed that.
     
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  5. Guy Gardener

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    Because of the glowing track suits, light was weird in the 1978 movie, but I think I saw 2 black men and two women in the High Council of Krypton last night. Of course one of the women had lines, so there's no suggestion that she was any one's secretary.
     
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  6. Skipper

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    Well the Superman comics were waaaaaaaaaayyyyy more conservative than other medium at the time. And it's not surprise, the same white middle age men worked on it from the fifties with few exceptions. I mean, this is the same Science Council scene from Super Friends, broadcast in the 1972!
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    Evidently the comics' writers didn't get the memo that women can be scientists (*gasp*) and they can take important decisions too (*double gasp*!!).
     
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  7. El Maestro

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    You can stop watching after the Crisis crossover. The last couple seasons of the show are almost unwatchable and I liked it a lot at the beginning.
     
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    The Super Friends premiered in the Fall of '73, but your point about the gender make-up of the council shows the cartoon--for once--having one up on the comics..
     
  9. Gingerbread Demon

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    I'm up to the episode "Alex" in season 2 so that will be the one I watch tonight. So far it's been a somewhat enjoyable ride. Melissa Benoist does a wonderful job of her role as Kara and Supergirl but they really did need to tone down her bubbliness she was way too bubbly most of the time, and that kind of irritated me. I get why they did it, just I didn't feel it helped her character.

    Did she learn bumbling from Clark?
     
  10. The Realist

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    I am not here for any complaints about Melissa Benoist. :shifty:
     
  11. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    Are there any actors on the show you would have any issue with, asking because I like your opinions in threads
     
  12. theenglish

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    What's Velma doing there?
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    The bald guy doesn't have a headband.

    Red suns are cooler than yellow stars.

    Theory: The Headband is the cure for Male pattern baldness.
     
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  14. Skipper

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    :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

    Joking aside, not all Kryptonians wore the headbands. They symbolized the status of a free citizen and
    1) Not everyone choose to wear it
    2) They were reserved only to males because, well, you have to ask? Females. Free. Not compute.
     
  15. The Realist

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    First of all, thanks. :)

    In answer to your question, the only actors I might take issue with are several you haven't encountered yet, who are introduced in the latter part of the series' run. And even with them, I feel like the problem is more with the writing of their characters than their performances -- though the actors don't manage to elevate the weak material, which really strong performers sometimes can.

    (So you'll know 'em when you see 'em, I'm thinking here of Azie Tesfai, Julie Gonzalo, and Staz Nair.)
     
  16. Gingerbread Demon

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    I will look them up. I don't mind actors, maybe not delivering lines well or emoting well it's when you can see right through a story and how paper thin it is and no amount of good acting can sway you to get hooked on a particular scene. I think the actors in season 2 did pretty well and the only thing I had a big issue with is the general escalation of events to bigger, and bigger, and bigger things. It just felt a bit ridiculous and way over the top for my liking.

    Which poses a question I have always wondered.

    Do people in comic book universes realize or know that they live in a comic book type universe?

    The reason I say this is because it feels like almost every week in the same city some crazy bad guy blows up people or buildings get destroyed and yet in the next week, or maybe next few days things seem more or less back to normal and everything looks clean and new again. This isn't just Supergirl but most comic book type shows / movies I feel.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    She-Hulk and Deadpool know.

    Thing about star trek it took me a while to figure out... Sure it takes them 26 weeks to have a years worth of adventures, but which 26 weeks? At any point between two episodes of Berman Era Trek, that could be their entire twenty six off weeks where nothing happens.

    Meanwhile... Every episode of the Simpsons happened in the same year. Every Christmas episode happened on the same day and every birthday happened on the same day. This obviously means that we are not watching the episodes in chronological order.
     
  18. The Realist

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    There was a fun little DC show called Powerless a few years back that dealt with some of those issues. I enjoyed it, but not enough other people did, and it was quickly canceled. :confused:

     
  19. Shaka Zulu

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    There's NOTHING wrong with this show, and it still has a lot of fans who love it to bits, as you will when you see all of it (if you need reinforcement for watching and liking this show, check out this Facebook page.)
     
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  20. The Realist

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    As my posts in this thread and elsewhere would indicate, I can't go quite that far, but I definitely appreciate the positivity. Diminishing returns in the show's last two seasons aside, there's a LOT to love about Supergirl.