If you're a fan of Discovery, did you watch Game Of Thrones?
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but since someone engaged in thread necromancy...I just don't understand people who call Discovery "Game of Thrones in Space" The two shows are very different.
1. Game of Thrones has a ridiculous number of characters. Season 1 had 19, for example, just counting the main characters (not recurring). Discovery has six. They differ tremendously in how widely recurring characters, guest characters, and extras are utilized as well.
2. Game of thrones is a very character-driven story, with most of the plot (outside of the white walkers) driven by the individual choices of characters who appear onscreen. Discovery is much less character-driven, at least to date.
3. Game of Thrones is a true "ensemble" show with no one main character. Discovery is focused on Micheal Burnham (albeit less now than at the start).
4. Game of Thrones is wide and epic in is scope. Discovery is relatively narrow in its point of view.
5. Game of Thrones uses lots of on-location filming. Discovery is filmed almost entirely on set.
6. Game of Thrones generally doesn't have discrete "episodes" except for one big action peice per season. Most Discovery episodes have actually been relatively self-contained within the serialized plot structure.
1. Game of Thrones has a ridiculous number of characters. Season 1 had 19, for example, just counting the main characters (not recurring). Discovery has six. They differ tremendously in how widely recurring characters, guest characters, and extras are utilized as well.
2. Game of thrones is a very character-driven story, with most of the plot (outside of the white walkers) driven by the individual choices of characters who appear onscreen. Discovery is much less character-driven, at least to date.
3. Game of Thrones is a true "ensemble" show with no one main character. Discovery is focused on Micheal Burnham (albeit less now than at the start).
4. Game of Thrones is wide and epic in is scope. Discovery is relatively narrow in its point of view.
5. Game of Thrones uses lots of on-location filming. Discovery is filmed almost entirely on set.
6. Game of Thrones generally doesn't have discrete "episodes" except for one big action peice per season. Most Discovery episodes have actually been relatively self-contained within the serialized plot structure.
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Yes and Yes.
GoTs is a political intrigue show, not a fantasy show. More Soprano's/ Rome.
Books way better than the show. Which constantly teleports armies & characters around as needed.
GoTs is a political intrigue show, not a fantasy show. More Soprano's/ Rome.
Books way better than the show. Which constantly teleports armies & characters around as needed.
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Never watched it.
Discovery? You should give it a try, it's pretty good actually
Hehe, It was GoT really, not my thing.I red the first book and it was just too grim for my taste.
the books are shit. written in a pre-teen writing style. the story itself, of course is great. but the style is gruesome.
I remember picking up the first book, translated in German, at a book store and giving it a try for a chapter or two. My first thought was: "Was that written by a 12 year old?", but then I thought, maybe the translator was shit. A decade or so later the series came out and I wanted to give the books a second chance, started reading the English version for a couple of pages, then realizing, no, it wasn't the translation, that is how GRRM writes.
I remember picking up the first book, translated in German, at a book store and giving it a try for a chapter or two. My first thought was: "Was that written by a 12 year old?", but then I thought, maybe the translator was shit. A decade or so later the series came out and I wanted to give the books a second chance, started reading the English version for a couple of pages, then realizing, no, it wasn't the translation, that is how GRRM writes.
I watch and like GoT. It's not my favorite show ever...but I enjoy it and I think it's basically a motion-picture quality piece of entertainment that I get to see an hour a week for 10 weeks straight.
I find DSC to be a very different experience, though, and for the better.
I find DSC to be a very different experience, though, and for the better.
I've never seen Game of Thrones. Though I keep intending to watch it. Maybe someday. Downton Abbey is another one I need to watch.
I'm more of a Mad Men fan. It in fact is my favorite show. Breaking Bad is also up there. I watched binged all 63 episodes of BB in a single week. That's how hooked into it I got. The show was like meth itself. I couldn't stop watching. Orange Is the New Black is another favorite of mine. When a new season comes up everyone who knows me knows not to bother me that day.
I wasn't that into The Sopranos but I was a huge fan of Oz back in the early-2000s. And, of course Battlestar Galactica. The first three seasons anyway. I thought the fourth season went off the rails.
What else? Better Call Saul and Halt & Catch Fire. I also liked Caprica even though it never caught on.
Spartacus was good but I only watched the first season.
I'm more of a Mad Men fan. It in fact is my favorite show. Breaking Bad is also up there. I watched binged all 63 episodes of BB in a single week. That's how hooked into it I got. The show was like meth itself. I couldn't stop watching. Orange Is the New Black is another favorite of mine. When a new season comes up everyone who knows me knows not to bother me that day.
I wasn't that into The Sopranos but I was a huge fan of Oz back in the early-2000s. And, of course Battlestar Galactica. The first three seasons anyway. I thought the fourth season went off the rails.
What else? Better Call Saul and Halt & Catch Fire. I also liked Caprica even though it never caught on.
Spartacus was good but I only watched the first season.
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I think I saw the first season way back when and didn't keep up with it, and now it would take a lot of time and energy to catch up.
three or four weekends, really
Though why are Targaryen super white then? They're originally from Essos too. The whole Dany freeing the slaves and becoming a hero of the Essosians would have had far less unfortunate implications had she not been a white blonde girl.they're not caucasian, they're westerosi
when it comes to Essos, the continent in the east of Westeros, or when it comes to the Summer Isles, an island chain south of Westeros and Essos, though, we have:
Xaro Xhoan Daxos
Missandei
Salladhor Saan
Grey Worm
and many more (Areo Hotah, Hizdahr zo Loraq and so forth)
but yeah, Westerosi people tend to have pale skin, which, of course is fitting for the setting
The Targaryans are from a different ethnical group, the Valyrians, lived on an peninsula and not on the mainland of Essos and kept their bloodline pure (you know, the whole incest thing?)
The "Valyrians", as an ethnic group, were largely destroyed by the Doom. The survivors that lived on in colonies such as the Free Cities generally intermingled with the local populations to such a degree that they ceased to exist as a distinct group. A few aristocratic families here and there in the Free Cities are famous for maintaining pure Valyrian lineages - those with "the blood of Old Valyria" retain strong Valyrian features of pale hair and purple irises.
The major exceptions to the above are Lys and Volantis, in which large segments of the population can still be said to exhibit classic Valyrian features. Lys was founded directly by Valyria, built from scratch and settled by pure-blooded Valyrian colonists, so Valyrian bloodlines are still very strong there. In Volantis, the ruling aristocracy became obsessed with their identity as the first colony of Valyria, and thus believed that they were the direct heirs of the Valyrian Freehold, destined to reconquer all of the other Free Cities. As a result the Volantene nobility is obsessed with blood purity, and practices extreme (apartheid-like) separation between the free aristocratic families (with pure Valyrian lineages) and the non-aristocrats and slaves (though Volantis is not only the most populous of the Free Cities but also has the most disproportionately large ratio of slaves in that population, about five slaves to each free man).
The "Valyrians", as an ethnic group, were largely destroyed by the Doom. The survivors that lived on in colonies such as the Free Cities generally intermingled with the local populations to such a degree that they ceased to exist as a distinct group. A few aristocratic families here and there in the Free Cities are famous for maintaining pure Valyrian lineages - those with "the blood of Old Valyria" retain strong Valyrian features of pale hair and purple irises.
The major exceptions to the above are Lys and Volantis, in which large segments of the population can still be said to exhibit classic Valyrian features. Lys was founded directly by Valyria, built from scratch and settled by pure-blooded Valyrian colonists, so Valyrian bloodlines are still very strong there. In Volantis, the ruling aristocracy became obsessed with their identity as the first colony of Valyria, and thus believed that they were the direct heirs of the Valyrian Freehold, destined to reconquer all of the other Free Cities. As a result the Volantene nobility is obsessed with blood purity, and practices extreme (apartheid-like) separation between the free aristocratic families (with pure Valyrian lineages) and the non-aristocrats and slaves (though Volantis is not only the most populous of the Free Cities but also has the most disproportionately large ratio of slaves in that population, about five slaves to each free man).
I know. And it was the author's choice to make them white. It is fiction, not real history. He chose to make special magical dragon kings white, even though other people who are from that part of the world are not. Then she writes a story where a magical white dragon princes saves all the brown people. Not saying that Martin is a racist, but certainly this whole thing has pretty unfortunate implications.
Yes, I know. That's why I stopped watching. But, thank you for the nightmare fuel.
they are not 'white'-white, they are albinism-white. Valyrians have pink/purple eyes and 'silver' hair, that screams albinism. a genetic mutation that was passed on for generations because of incest
In the books, Essos basically equals Eurasia. People in Essos vary from European-looking to Middle Eastern and East Asian looking.
Westeros was settled by several waves people from the far western portion of Essos - first the appropriately named "First Men" who partially displaced the Children of the Forest, later the Andals (who are meant to be an analogue for the Anglo-Saxons). The far south of the continent was settled by the Rhoynar - more or less analogous to Middle Easterners - at a later time. Westeros is sort of a mixture of a giant Britain, the New World, and Moorish Spain in Dorne.
In the books, black people only exist in the Summer Isles (where they have a very advanced civilization) and a few other isolated parts of the known world. The show inserted a lot more black people into the narrative by having them either migrants from the Summer Islands, or slaves whose origins were partially or entirely from one of the other small insular areas where black people live.
There are really far out there groups which are not entirely human however, like the men of Ibben (basically Neandertals with a civilization) and the Brindled Men of Sothoryos, but very little is even said of them in the books.
I don't think that it's all that out there for GRRM to have a fictional world which is so "white" considering it's based upon an analogue of the UK during the War of the Roses. During that period in European history, even in the bigger more cosmopolitan cities you would see very few people who were from Sub-Saharan Africa or East Asia.
Westeros was settled by several waves people from the far western portion of Essos - first the appropriately named "First Men" who partially displaced the Children of the Forest, later the Andals (who are meant to be an analogue for the Anglo-Saxons). The far south of the continent was settled by the Rhoynar - more or less analogous to Middle Easterners - at a later time. Westeros is sort of a mixture of a giant Britain, the New World, and Moorish Spain in Dorne.
In the books, black people only exist in the Summer Isles (where they have a very advanced civilization) and a few other isolated parts of the known world. The show inserted a lot more black people into the narrative by having them either migrants from the Summer Islands, or slaves whose origins were partially or entirely from one of the other small insular areas where black people live.
There are really far out there groups which are not entirely human however, like the men of Ibben (basically Neandertals with a civilization) and the Brindled Men of Sothoryos, but very little is even said of them in the books.
I don't think that it's all that out there for GRRM to have a fictional world which is so "white" considering it's based upon an analogue of the UK during the War of the Roses. During that period in European history, even in the bigger more cosmopolitan cities you would see very few people who were from Sub-Saharan Africa or East Asia.
As for the actual topic, I'm on fence with Discovery and while I find GoT sufficiently entertaining that I've kept watching it, I really don't love it or think it is the best thing since the sliced bread.
GoT is certainly very well made, looks awesome and has bunch of really skilled actors. In earlier seasons the story seemed to take a lot of pointless detours and there was just a lot of puerile brutality which came pretty disgustingly close to glorifying violence and misogyny. Now that they've run out of book content, it seems that both of those problems have lessened, unfortunately the cost has been the sense makery of the plot. I can't say I'm a huge fan of randomly killing characters either, though that seem to have lessened too (probably because they're running out of characters to kill.)
GoT is certainly very well made, looks awesome and has bunch of really skilled actors. In earlier seasons the story seemed to take a lot of pointless detours and there was just a lot of puerile brutality which came pretty disgustingly close to glorifying violence and misogyny. Now that they've run out of book content, it seems that both of those problems have lessened, unfortunately the cost has been the sense makery of the plot. I can't say I'm a huge fan of randomly killing characters either, though that seem to have lessened too (probably because they're running out of characters to kill.)
I the show at least they're definitely 'white'-white. They're played by white actors.
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