If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which one?

[Joel_Kirk]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I don't if anyone has mentioned it yet, but I was thinking of a crossover between Star Trek and Blake's 7.

One Federation meets another: The mirror version from Star Trek meets a non-totalitarian one from Blake's 7 or both 'real' universes meet. They can meet in a *ahem* timelash....

Avon is his own person, and it would be interesting to see how his attitude would match up to any of the Trek captains.

Sidenote: If I remember correctly, both the original Star Trek and Blake's 7 both had ships that were both film differently than initially intended.

 

[publiusr]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I still wish it were possible to find more crossovers that could work without alternate universes or glossing over incompatible physics/history/astrocartography/etc.

Star Trek is actually rather forgiving in that regard, at least for different FTL drives.

The Babylon 5 idea of wormholes was used in Voyager after all: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Underspace
We see NuBSG type jump drives, soliton waves, etc.

Ironically, the other Roddenberry program Andromeda, is more hostile to other forms of FTL: http://andromeda.wikia.com/wiki/Slipstream

Now, I have problems with SG1 and Stargate Universe.

In one you have super competent folks never at a loss, and the other crew can't seem to be able to do anything. Now, like JJ's reboot, there is a reason given (D list crew not meant for Destiny) but it still just feels wrong--and that was within the same property!

Seeing Everett Young and O'Neill in the same room together was more jarring to me than seeing Spock and Vader rolling dice at the wooden table aboard the Serenity.

Except the Nausicaans already look like the Predators and the Hirogen act like them, so it'd be kind of redundant.

Well, you can have the Gucci bag, or the knock-offs...

As for me, seeing Magogs on Endor chasing Ewoks would be just precious. Furlings go home.

 

[Christopher]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek is actually rather forgiving in that regard, at least for different FTL drives.

The Babylon 5 idea of wormholes was used in Voyager after all: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Underspace
We see NuBSG type jump drives, soliton waves, etc.

B5 didn't use wormholes, it used hyperspace. It used wormhole-ish rifts to access hyperspace, but hyperspace itself was an open, continuous realm in which one could move in any direction (presumably in four dimensions) and would get lost if one didn't stay on the correct course from gate to gate.

Also, there's the fact that the history and alien races of B5 are completely incompatible with Trek's. Which is really driven home when you consider that B5 begins in 2257, just three years after "The Cage."

Now, I have problems with SG1 and Stargate Universe.

In one you have super competent folks never at a loss, and the other crew can't seem to be able to do anything. Now, like JJ's reboot, there is a reason given (D list crew not meant for Destiny) but it still just feels wrong--and that was within the same property!

Seeing Everett Young and O'Neill in the same room together was more jarring to me than seeing Spock and Vader rolling dice at the wooden table aboard the Serenity.

I don't see the problem. Here in the real world, there are some people who are super-competent and others who aren't so good at their jobs. It just gives the fictional universe texture.

And it's less of a tonal mismatch than having Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures (and Doctor Who, of course) in the same reality.

 

[publiusr]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

B5 didn't use wormholes, it used hyperspace.

That's right--another senior moment on my part. Thirdspace seemed like a trip to the home of the Cenobites from Hellraiser

B5 begins in 2257, just three years after "The Cage."

That's where the whole rift to an alternate universe trope comes into play

 

[Christopher]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

^I thought we were talking more about potentially reconcilable continuities, ones that could cross over without the "alternate universe" dodge. At least, that's the part of my comment that you quoted in your previous reply.

 

[0100110]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I've always wanted to see the original Visitors (with the red uniforms and cool ships) run into Starfleet, you'd have to forget what happened in the 80's but an invasion of the federation by the huge motherships would be great

 

[Christopher]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

^Well, the Visitors are supposed to have been from Sirius, which is less than 9 light-years away, so it wouldn't have taken long for Earth to run into them if they'd been out there in the Trekverse.

But have you seen the Enterprise episode "Civilization?" It established the Malurians (the race Nomad wiped out a century later in "The Changeling") as reptilian humanoids who hid their true appearance under more humanlike (well, Akaali-like) masks.

 

[publiusr]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

You have a great memory Christopher--now that would lend itself to an in-universe cross over.

^I thought we were talking more about potentially reconcilable continuities

Me and my skimming posts..ugh, I'm a dunce.

 

[Christopher]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

^Well, I have written two recent novels in which the Malurian bad guy Garos from "Civilization" is one of the main antagonists...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Forbidden Planet

 

[TerraNovan]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Starship troopers and nutrek.

 

[Push The Button]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Forbidden Planet

This is perfect, I love it.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I still wish it were possible to find more crossovers that could work without alternate universes or glossing over incompatible physics/history/astrocartography/etc. I imagine there are some contemporary-setting SF shows about secret aliens or high-tech heroes or the like that could theoretically be compatible -- it's conceivable The Invaders could work, though I haven't seen enough to be sure -- but the problem with many of the later shows of that type is that they're likely to have references to Star Trek as a work of fiction.

I actually worked out this whole theory that i thought I might use in a fanfiction story some day where the Stargate universe and the Star Trek universe were actually closely related, in the same manner as the ST universe and the Mirror universe (only they split much earlier). Basically the introduction of the Stargate network into the universe massively screwed up First Contact patterns, and eventually turned the proto-Trill into the evil Goa'uld (who went on to annihilate or drive underground many of the other races we know from Trek). It's still sort of an alternate universe thing, but I think it has some interesting potential in showcasing all the ways technology determines history (and evolution), not to mention what would happen to all those empires we know and love when they're forced to try to come to fruition in a galaxy almost completely dominated by one superpowerful (and effectively immortal) species.

In terms of worlds that need no alternate universe at all, I would say Firefly probably has the most potential. Assume that the Alliance left earth during/immediately after wwiii (fully in the belief that the planet was doomed) and, like so many others in Star Trek history, their sub-light ships ran into some kind of spacial anomaly that catapulted them to some far flung corner of the universe with very few, if any, immediate neighbors. Then, hundreds of years later, this entire culture that has defined itself as 'the last fringes of humanity' comes face to face with some very hard truths when the Federation makes first contact with them - that Earth never died, that their exodus was probably entirely unnecessary, that their technology is woefully inadequate (compared to the progress earth has made in the same amount of time), that aliens are real and the universe is much bigger than they ever realized. Not to mention how the Alliance might react (try to destroy/chase away the Starfleet ship and cover up the entire incident? Try to ally with some anti-Federation power?)

 

[velour]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Wouldn't it be fun to see Spock learning how to harness the power of the force from Yoda. Imagine the conversation they would have. Then after using what he learned, Spock goes on to have a light saber fight against Vader. That would be amusing.

Spock has shown himself to be a good with the sword in "Day of the Dove", "Bread and Circuses", etc. Wonder how he'll handle a light saber.

Another crossover that would be interesting... what if Ripley's derelict ship (at the beginning of Aliens) had been discovered by the Enterprise instead. She and Kirk obviously would become romantically involved. Then they go on to battle the Aliens.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I don't if anyone has mentioned it yet, but I was thinking of a crossover between Star Trek and Blake's 7.

One Federation meets another: The mirror version from Star Trek meets a non-totalitarian one from Blake's 7 or both 'real' universes meet. They can meet in a *ahem* timelash....

Avon is his own person, and it would be interesting to see how his attitude would match up to any of the Trek captains.

Sidenote: If I remember correctly, both the original Star Trek and Blake's 7 both had ships that were both film differently than initially intended.

As I've said before, watch By Any Other Name, and then Star One, and try telling me the latter doesn't work as a sequel to the other...

 

[Melakon]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Another crossover that would be interesting... what if Ripley's derelict ship (at the beginning of Aliens) had been discovered by the Enterprise instead. She and Kirk obviously would become romantically involved. Then they go on to battle the Aliens.

McCoy as Private Hudson: "Damn it, Jim, we're in some real pretty st now, man! We're fd, we're doomed!"

 

[allstar77]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I wouldn't really want to do a crossover, but would borrow various beings/lifeforms/aliens creatures for the ST universe.

 

[telerites]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Firefly

 

[Cyke101]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

I just caught the first episode of The Leftovers. Obviously I tried to imagine the Ninth Doctor as working undercover for the mystery. But really, it could be a great crossover with Star Trek: three years ago, the Defiant traveled to the 21st century and Rom's elbow hit the transporter controls, accidentally beaming 2% of the population. This incident would then be known as the Romture.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Re: If you could see a crossover with one other SciFi universe, which

Star Trek meets Macross. Not Robotech: The Macross Saga, but the actual, non-Americanized Macross.

While I'm tired of the overdose of Klingons, it would be interesting if they and the Zentraedi would meet since both species love to fight. Only difference, the Zentraedi don't talk about honor every second.