If you could rewrite Voyager

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Trekboy1993, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. Discofan

    Discofan Fleet Captain Red Shirt

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    If people rotate then what are the odds of Chakotay getting to the sleeping beauties without anybody intercepting him?

    Emerge as little larva from the wombs of the middle-aged ones and then the larva would grow to the size of old adults? Ok, but they are obviously mammalians in nature and that's not how mammals reproduce, for one thing, why would they have breasts in that scenario?

    The virus feeding on light to increase in size is completely implausible. The equation E=MC2 tells us that it takes an incredible amount of light for an increase of mass of only one kilogram, more than enough light to vaporize Voyager in a micro-second.
     
  2. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Commodore Commodore

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    You're making an assumption that they follow the same biological rules as mamals on earth. They're a different species. You can't assume the same rules apply
     
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  3. catshadowsi8

    catshadowsi8 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Ok I'll bite.

    Chakotay did beam directly into the chamber with the sleeping aliens so I can see him not meeting anyone else. My problem was they still had muscle tone to sit up. People in comas do not maintain good muscle mass.

    When I went to the next paragraph I thought we were still talking about Waking Moments. When you said the aliens had breast I thought you were remarkably observant because I certainly didn't. Lol

    As for the macro viruses I had the impression they were feeding on their hosts. The biting infected the host, the micro viruses emerged from the holes but, like bugs, they returned to the host to continue feeding until they were done.

    I got nothing on the reverse aging. Cool concept and one of the few Tuvok centric episodes so I'll chalk it up to space magic.
     
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  4. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Commodore Commodore

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    To me the muscle tone implied that they didn't spend 100% of their time asleep. Perhaps they hibernate. There are animals here on earth that do that.
     
  5. catshadowsi8

    catshadowsi8 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    That makes sense. I could see that.
     
  6. Prax

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    The sleepy aliens:
    The Drayans:
    (Can I just say, this is such a beautiful episode. It all takes place in a small clearing in the woods. We get to see the fatherly side of Tuvok, and even hear him sing a lullaby written for this story. It's one of the more high concept sci fi stories in early Voyager)

    The Macrovirus:
     
  7. Discofan

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    In that case, the hosts of the Viruses should all be dead. When you remove that much flesh, IE the flesh needed for that big of an increase in mass, then the person dies. That also applies to harry Kim, he should have had holes dug inside of him in order to feed the cells that species 8472 put in him. That's what happens with cancer which is the closest thing to that thing in the real world.
     
  8. catshadowsi8

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    We only see a few of the macro viruses. The majority are micro size so it's possible the macro viruses are feeding off several people, not just one.
     
  9. Discofan

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    How can you remove that much flesh from people and so fast without causing any damage? I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. Plus we can see the virus increase in size very quickly in sickbay and it's not feeding off of anything, except air!!!
     
  10. catshadowsi8

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    True the one in sickbay literally blew up off the petre dish.
     
  11. Bry_Sinclair

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    We didn't see all 150 crewmembers, so we have no way of knowing who may have been injured.
     
  12. catshadowsi8

    catshadowsi8 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well we know they were not full of air because Janeway stabs one and it doesn't deflate.
     
  13. Discofan

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    Did you see how big these viruses were? I don't think 150 people entirely digested, even the bones, were enough to feed them all!
    Do you know how much you have to eat (in addition to your normal intake) to get say two pounds fatter? More than four times that much and this assuming that your food is very rich!
     
  14. Bry_Sinclair

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    It was never stated where the virus came from, for all we know it evolved on a J-Class planet and either through a transport or meteoroid ended up on the mining colony where the oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere proved to be sufficient nutrients for the virus to adapt and grow at a considerable rate. This is an alien pathogen, there's no reason to think it would behave like anything here on Earth.
     
  15. Discofan

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    Viruses don't do anything, they don't move on their own, they don't eat, they don't even reproduce by themselves. All they do is stay where they are and latch on the first monocellular organism they get in contact with and inject their DNA into it so it gets reprogrammed and produces more Viruses. That's it!

    Voyager's viruses are just impossible, they seem to have complex automatisms, like when they take their infected hosts and put them together somewhere on the ship. That's a very complex behavior that suggests not only a central nervous system but a brain, not to mention a set of sense organs!
    A virus is something so simple that it barely qualifies as a living organism.
     
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  16. catshadowsi8

    catshadowsi8 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well there are 'zombie ants'. Their behavior is changed as the result of a fungus.
     
  17. Discofan

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    A fungus is more complex than a virus, plus it doesn't do anything either. It reprograms the ant so it moves toward a place favorable to the development of the fungus and then dies there. The Programmationtion is indeed something complex in and of itself but it doesn't require the fungus to develop organs and limbs let alone a brain, to move willingly from one place to another, like Voyagers' "viruses" do.
     
  18. catshadowsi8

    catshadowsi8 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well imo the doctor proved in the episode he was fallible. I always thought of them as insects. Giant, mutated mosquitoes crossed with human eating fruit flies.
     
  19. Prax

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    While you guys are arguing about viruses, I'm gonna go surf the mycelial waves.
     
  20. catshadowsi8

    catshadowsi8 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    :lol: I'll pass. All that twisting makes my stomach hurt. Seriously what do people who suffer from motion sickness do on that ship?

    'Code Black'
    'Dang, where is the nearest bucket!'