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If you could rewrite Voyager

If people rotate then what are the odds of Chakotay getting to the sleeping beauties without anybody intercepting him?

Emerge as little larva from the wombs of the middle-aged ones and then the larva would grow to the size of old adults? Ok, but they are obviously mammalians in nature and that's not how mammals reproduce, for one thing, why would they have breasts in that scenario?

The virus feeding on light to increase in size is completely implausible. The equation E=MC2 tells us that it takes an incredible amount of light for an increase of mass of only one kilogram, more than enough light to vaporize Voyager in a micro-second.
You're making an assumption that they follow the same biological rules as mamals on earth. They're a different species. You can't assume the same rules apply
 
If people rotate then what are the odds of Chakotay getting to the sleeping beauties without anybody intercepting him?

Emerge as little larva from the wombs of the middle-aged ones and then the larva would grow to the size of old adults? Ok, but they are obviously mammalians in nature and that's not how mammals reproduce, for one thing, why would they have breasts in that scenario?

The virus feeding on light to increase in size is completely implausible. The equation E=MC2 tells us that it takes an incredible amount of light for an increase of mass of only one kilogram, more than enough light to vaporize Voyager in a micro-second.

Ok I'll bite.

Chakotay did beam directly into the chamber with the sleeping aliens so I can see him not meeting anyone else. My problem was they still had muscle tone to sit up. People in comas do not maintain good muscle mass.

When I went to the next paragraph I thought we were still talking about Waking Moments. When you said the aliens had breast I thought you were remarkably observant because I certainly didn't. Lol

As for the macro viruses I had the impression they were feeding on their hosts. The biting infected the host, the micro viruses emerged from the holes but, like bugs, they returned to the host to continue feeding until they were done.

I got nothing on the reverse aging. Cool concept and one of the few Tuvok centric episodes so I'll chalk it up to space magic.
 
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Ok I'll bite.

Chakotay did beam directly into the chamber with the sleeping aliens so I can see him not meeting anyone else. My problem was they still had muscle tone to sit up. People in comas do not maintain good muscle mass.

When I went to the next paragraph I thought we were still talking about Waking Moments. When you said the aliens had breast I thought you were remarkably observant because I didn't certainly didn't. Lol

As for the macro viruses I had the impression they were feeding on their hosts. The biting infected the host, the micro viruses emerged from the holes but, like bugs, they returned to the host to continue feeding until they were done.

I got nothing on the reverse aging. Cool concept and one of the few Tuvok centric episodes so I'll chalk it up to space magic.
To me the muscle tone implied that they didn't spend 100% of their time asleep. Perhaps they hibernate. There are animals here on earth that do that.
 
If people rotate then what are the odds of Chakotay getting to the sleeping beauties without anybody intercepting him?

Emerge as little larva from the wombs of the middle-aged ones and then the larva would grow to the size of old adults? Ok, but they are obviously mammalians in nature and that's not how mammals reproduce, for one thing, why would they have breasts in that scenario?

The virus feeding on light to increase in size is completely implausible. The equation E=MC2 tells us that it takes an incredible amount of light for an increase of mass of only one kilogram, more than enough light to vaporize Voyager in a micro-second.
The sleepy aliens:
This peculiar delta quadrant species must spend the equivalent of appr. 5 standard earth months of each annual cycle in hybrenation. Such an attribute has historically left them vulnerable to pirates and raiders.
Like many other lifeforms in the galaxy, they are a telepathic race, and have developed a unique defensive measure to protect themselves by invading the dreams of passing ships. Over time, these aliens have become villains themselves, until our beloved heroes of the USS Voyager find themselves nearing their world...

The Drayans:
The Drayans are born on a moon orbiting their homeworld. Their cells reproduce in a unique manner causing them to appear younger as they grow in age. When they reach the final stages of their existence in the physical realm, the Drayans feel a calling to return to the moon from which they came. They then shed their physical form and their spirit returns to the source to complete the cycle.
(Can I just say, this is such a beautiful episode. It all takes place in a small clearing in the woods. We get to see the fatherly side of Tuvok, and even hear him sing a lullaby written for this story. It's one of the more high concept sci fi stories in early Voyager)

The Macrovirus:
These crazy viruses will have you picking your phaser rifle, flash grenades, and combat knife, as we Rip(ley) through a derelict USS Voyager. Answering a distress call from a group of Garan miners, the Emergency Holographic Doctor gets an opportunity to test out his new mobile emitter. Upon the surface, he discovers what appears to be a terrible viral outbreak. a microscophic lifeform has been incubated in the glandular tissue of its victims neck, and through this process, absorbs the victims growth hormones into it's protein structure before increasing at an exponential rate. Dubbed "The macrovirus" by the Doctor, these strange creatures can grow to a half meter in size, depending on the dna of their victims. The find suitable hosts by detecting infrared head signatures.
 
Ok I'll bite.

Chakotay did beam directly into the chamber with the sleeping aliens so I can see him not meeting anyone else. My problem was they still had muscle tone to sit up. People in comas do not maintain good muscle mass.

When I went to the next paragraph I thought we were still talking about Waking Moments. When you said the aliens had breast I thought you were remarkably observant because I certainly didn't. Lol

As for the macro viruses I had the impression they were feeding on their hosts. The biting infected the host, the micro viruses emerged from the holes but, like bugs, they returned to the host to continue feeding until they were done.

I got nothing on the reverse aging. Cool concept and one of the few Tuvok centric episodes so I'll chalk it up to space magic.

In that case, the hosts of the Viruses should all be dead. When you remove that much flesh, IE the flesh needed for that big of an increase in mass, then the person dies. That also applies to harry Kim, he should have had holes dug inside of him in order to feed the cells that species 8472 put in him. That's what happens with cancer which is the closest thing to that thing in the real world.
 
We only see a few of the macro viruses. The majority are micro size so it's possible the macro viruses are feeding off several people, not just one.
 
We only see a few of the macro viruses. The majority are micro size so it's possible the macro viruses are feeding off several people, not just one.

How can you remove that much flesh from people and so fast without causing any damage? I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. Plus we can see the virus increase in size very quickly in sickbay and it's not feeding off of anything, except air!!!
 
How can you remove that much flesh from people and so fast without causing any damage? I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. Plus we can see the virus increase in size very quickly in sickbay and it's not feeding off of anything, except air!!!
We didn't see all 150 crewmembers, so we have no way of knowing who may have been injured.
 
We didn't see all 150 crewmembers, so we have no way of knowing who may have been injured.

Did you see how big these viruses were? I don't think 150 people entirely digested, even the bones, were enough to feed them all!
Do you know how much you have to eat (in addition to your normal intake) to get say two pounds fatter? More than four times that much and this assuming that your food is very rich!
 
It was never stated where the virus came from, for all we know it evolved on a J-Class planet and either through a transport or meteoroid ended up on the mining colony where the oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere proved to be sufficient nutrients for the virus to adapt and grow at a considerable rate. This is an alien pathogen, there's no reason to think it would behave like anything here on Earth.
 
It was never stated where the virus came from, for all we know it evolved on a J-Class planet and either through a transport or meteoroid ended up on the mining colony where the oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere proved to be sufficient nutrients for the virus to adapt and grow at a considerable rate. This is an alien pathogen, there's no reason to think it would behave like anything here on Earth.

Viruses don't do anything, they don't move on their own, they don't eat, they don't even reproduce by themselves. All they do is stay where they are and latch on the first monocellular organism they get in contact with and inject their DNA into it so it gets reprogrammed and produces more Viruses. That's it!

Voyager's viruses are just impossible, they seem to have complex automatisms, like when they take their infected hosts and put them together somewhere on the ship. That's a very complex behavior that suggests not only a central nervous system but a brain, not to mention a set of sense organs!
A virus is something so simple that it barely qualifies as a living organism.
 
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Viruses don't do anything, they don't move on their own, they don't eat, they don't even reproduce by themselves. All they do is stay where they are and latch on the first monocellular organism they get in contact with and inject their DNA into it so it gets reprogrammed and produces more Viruses. That's it!

Voyager's viruses are just impossible, they seem to have complex automatisms, like when they take their infected hosts and put them together somewhere on the ship. That's a very complex behavior that suggests not only a central nervous system but a brain, not to mention a set of sense organs!
A virus is something so simple that it barely qualifies as a living organism.

Well there are 'zombie ants'. Their behavior is changed as the result of a fungus.
 
Well there are 'zombie ants'. Their behavior is changed as the result of a fungus.

A fungus is more complex than a virus, plus it doesn't do anything either. It reprograms the ant so it moves toward a place favorable to the development of the fungus and then dies there. The Programmationtion is indeed something complex in and of itself but it doesn't require the fungus to develop organs and limbs let alone a brain, to move willingly from one place to another, like Voyagers' "viruses" do.
 
A fungus is more complex than a virus, plus it doesn't do anything either. It reprograms the ant so it moves toward a place favorable to the development of the fungus and then dies there. The Programmationtion is indeed something complex in and of itself but it doesn't require the fungus to develop organs and limbs let alone a brain, to move willingly from one place to another, like Voyagers' "viruses" do.

Well imo the doctor proved in the episode he was fallible. I always thought of them as insects. Giant, mutated mosquitoes crossed with human eating fruit flies.
 
While you guys are arguing about viruses, I'm gonna go surf the mycelial waves.
 
While you guys are arguing about viruses, I'm gonna go surf the mycelial waves.

:lol: I'll pass. All that twisting makes my stomach hurt. Seriously what do people who suffer from motion sickness do on that ship?

'Code Black'
'Dang, where is the nearest bucket!'
 
:lol: I'll pass. All that twisting makes my stomach hurt. Seriously what do people who suffer from motion sickness do on that ship?

'Code Black'
'Dang, where is the nearest bucket!'
Personally, not sure I could handle a shuttle craft like the Delta flyer without puking. Even with inertial dampeners, the outside view would disorient me.
 
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