If you could bring closure to Enterprise...
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I'd produce a straight-to-DVD or online movie to wrap up the adventures of the NX-01 with a big story set during the Earth-Romulan War, possibly even showing the beginning of it and a major battle(Upsilon Andromedae?)pivotal to its eventual outcome. Give the crew one last, better hurrah and flesh out Hoshi, Travis and Malcolm just a little more at the end.
TrekUnited should have used it's donations to fund either an unauthorized edit to Demons/Terra Prime/These Are The Voyages, or to even produce an entirely new finale.
I think they could have done it with the amount of donations they had. Plus the actors weren't all that happy with the cancellation, naturally. I'm sure they would have agreed to a short term project like this, if the top people were on board, like Bakula, Blalock, Trinneer. Pay Ronald D. Moore and Michael Piller to produce the 'real' fan valentine finale.
I think they could have done it with the amount of donations they had. Plus the actors weren't all that happy with the cancellation, naturally. I'm sure they would have agreed to a short term project like this, if the top people were on board, like Bakula, Blalock, Trinneer. Pay Ronald D. Moore and Michael Piller to produce the 'real' fan valentine finale.
A big bang of an ending where they all die, like VOY's "Year of Hell" without the reset button! -- RR
Manny Coto was one of the worst things to ever happen to Star Trek. Instead of innovating and bringing in a new audience, he turned it into fanwank garbage that only pleased us diehard Trekkies. Yes, I loved his season 4 stories, but did the mainstream TV audience?
RDM on the other hand took a show with a microscopic following and turned it into the SciFi channel's hottest property. It's doomed by being on cable, though. On NBC the show would have done extremely well, since most network competition is reality TV garbage now.
Again, I really liked Coto's contributions as a Trekkie, but thinking about the big picture, fanwank Enterprise season 4, although rebounding in ratings (IIRC, it started going slowly back up in ratings during season 3.) it was a bad production choice.
"A story referencing KHAN and guest starring DATA! MAINSTREAM AMERICA, GET READY FOR THE THREE HOURS OF TV YOU'VE BEEN DEMANDING!"
Mainstream America stopped caring about Enterprise about four years before it premiered. Being on the craptacular UPN didn't help matters.
And nuBSG would have absolutely bombed on NBC, I'm sad to say. It would have never made it beyond season one if it weren't on cable.
And nuBSG would have absolutely bombed on NBC, I'm sad to say. It would have never made it beyond season one if it weren't on cable.
The 12 Million viewers who tuned in to the premiere would disagree with you. Problem is, the show was so lackluster, it failed to keep the majority of those viewers.
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Keep in mind that even with Coto as showrunner, it was still B&B's show and would continue to be. I agree with you on not moving the show to Friday, and that season 4 writing staff was easily the best. Coto could have been the Mike Piller of ENT, had the show ran a few more years, but to give him all the credit for the quality of the show shortchanges the other writers who contributed some great episodes during the run of the show...and that includes B&B. There were great ENT before Coto's arrival and I think his contributions to the show a bit overstated.
The thing is season three was a year that didn't require much in the way of extensive Trek knowledge yet it didn't draw in a lot of new viewers. So I don't see why you use the argument that were season four less Trek-intensive new viewers would have come. While possessing a fair amount of Trek knowledge enhanced the viewing experience in season four the truth is a lot of those episodes were entertaining unto themselves.
Actually I think there were times that NBC aired BSG and the ratings were dismal even worse than on Sci-Fi. Plus being the hottest property on Sci-Fi isn't saying much considering the garbage its produced over the years-Flash Gordon, Lexx, SG, SGA, Eureka!, Painkiller Jane, its campy Sat night sci fi films.
And while I like Moore's work I do think there tends to be a bit too much of Moore worship on the internet and to assume just because he is attached to the project the product will be exceptional is a bit overstated. As BSG has shown it is far from consistently solid.
Just as Coto's status as savior to Trek was during the original broadcast of ENT. He definitely injected some life into the series but there were still flaws under his tenure. As a writer he was uneven and while season four was entertaining more often than not there were some weak episodes.
Daniels finally learns the point in time the temporal fluxes started. He and Archer travel to the time of First Contact. The movie that is. They infiltrate the Borg cube that sends the sphere through time, and destroy it along with the Borg cube itself. With that, Picard is the hero of the Battle of Earth, and the past was never altered by the Enterprise E Crew. Trip is alive, and no temporal cold war happened. The movie could somehow end with Picard and Riker discussing the true events of the NX-01. 'These Are the Voyages' was part of the altered timeline. It never happened. We go back to the past and see the unaltered timeline of how the NX-01 was launched. It's got everything! Time Travel, Borg, Picard and Co., action packed space battles, and a beginning/resolution. I know it's all over the place, but it's late, and I've got to get to bed. In fact, I'm on season 2 of Enterprise right now. Currently on 'Regeneration'. That has to be the biggest WTF in the entire series, and one of the reasons for my time travel fix. Have a good night!
It was the bulk of season one and all of season two that killed E. I thought that the pilot was great, far better than the TNG pilot, but it lost momentum rapidly and became unwatchable. If season three had been season one it might still be on the air.
They should have changed the paradigm and killed off regular characters at random intervals. The trek concept; only red shirts can die, must change.
They should have changed the paradigm and killed off regular characters at random intervals. The trek concept; only red shirts can die, must change.
I'd do a story where Daniels comes back and it's revealed that the whole ENT timeline is a mistake and needs to be wiped out so that the TNG, DS9 etc can happen. The timeline is then reset and we see the "true" histories of the characters - Archer for example is the second mate on a tug running ore from Earth to the Moon.
At the end of the episode, Daniels would look directly at the viewer and say "so NONE of that every happened".
At the end of the episode, Daniels would look directly at the viewer and say "so NONE of that every happened".
^^Funny, I started a story that went almost just like that. It was a 'Part Two' to 'TATV' that finds Archer whisked away from his podium moments before he starts his speech by Daniels to the bridge of the pre-launch 1701-nil, where he briefly sees his future self, and we learn that the Temporal Cold War was about the Romulans postponing the Earth-Romulan War for a few decades until they could WIN it, which ultimately caused it to never happen and led to the Alpha Quadrant being conquered by the Dominion. So Archer has to redo 'Broken Bow' and a few other key events basically that end with the timeline changing each time until Archer finds himself in the middle of the Romulan War and ultimately has to sacrifice the ship. Eventually, we would find Riker and Troi on the U.S.S. Titan on their mercy mission to Romulus post-Nemesis, where they would be presented with the scorched dedication plaque of NX-01.
Maybe I should finish that?
Maybe I should finish that?
^ I actually like that idea and it's no more convoluted than TCW stories attempted by the show. In fact, it sounds easier to follow! I'd suggest dropping the Dominion subplot, it's not really needed. Simply have the Romulans in control of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant in this altered timeline. The Vulcans and Romulans merge, with various other would-be Federation races on the verge of extinction.
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